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lalaithlockhart June 7 2008, 23:04:30 UTC
On one hand, I'm afraid that these two episodes were a build-up for Rose not staying, pointing out that she's not needed because eventually the Doctor's going to have River Song.
Wah! Let's hope not. Because the weird thing about the Doctor/River relationship is that he's having to preserve the timeline the entire time. So can he really risk her the way he can the people whose history is being made up as they go along? Picnics and such - yes, let there be more of those in Ten's future (seconding the wanting-him-to-be-happy) but knowing the whole time that she's going to die and visiting her in her timeline whenever he misses her or feels like a break? Hurrrrr.

While I would prefer that Moffat be a douche (since I'm not sure I'd want to watch S5 anyway), I think the more likely option is that introducing River Song right now was intentional. Bah.
Just so long as Rose is in character I won't care. :(

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lalaithlockhart June 7 2008, 23:09:17 UTC
I'm very glad that she's alive, of sorts--and more importantly, that the Doctor was able to save her, since I think he needed that. But since it seems she's a data ghost now, and probably unable to ever get to the real world again as something alive, I couldn't help but contrast her reaction to being permanently separated from the Doctor to Rose's.
It also suggests that the Doctor thinks living indefinitely as a data ghost - no character development, no living, no way to communicate, no real power - is better than dying. This is the second time he's done this in canon (third if you count the 'What's wrong with Martha' comic) and it... bothers me.

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rynne June 7 2008, 23:14:03 UTC
You're thinking of Astrid, right? Because what immediately popped into my mind right there is Ursula from Love and Monsters, and how she ended up really disturbed me. And now that you've brought this up...yeah. Even more disturbing.

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lalaithlockhart June 7 2008, 23:43:43 UTC
Because what immediately popped into my mind right there is Ursula from Love and Monsters
Waaaaah, I forgot about that. I mean, living forever could be workable under certain circumstances but... not like that. That's not living!

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rynne June 7 2008, 23:17:50 UTC
Because the weird thing about the Doctor/River relationship is that he's having to preserve the timeline the entire time. So can he really risk her the way he can the people whose history is being made up as they go along? Picnics and such - yes, let there be more of those in Ten's future (seconding the wanting-him-to-be-happy) but knowing the whole time that she's going to die and visiting her in her timeline whenever he misses her or feels like a break? Hurrrrr.

Yeah, that's actually sorta...urgh. I would not want to go into a relationship knowing the exact circumstances of my SO's death. That's sorta creepy. And what's worse is that she gave him enough clues that he might feel like he has to have a relationship with her to preserve the timeline.

I have hope that Rose will be in character, since it's RTD writing. But still, he wrote LotTL, with Martha's fast-forwarded characterization...

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