I can't be the only one who sees a certain degree of irony here...

[rushin_doll]

Well. Hello, LJ. It has been some time, has it not? While my posting history shows that I've been offline since early July, the truth is that my LJ habits have been sporadic since sometime in February of this year. This was due primarily to my class load being crazy and me just having a lot to do. Prior to that I was rather diligent about

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[impactbomb]

I would go with 1. Easier, and there's still plenty of wiggle room for what counts as a "major media property".

(You should write SESAME STREET fic. Blow their minds a little.)

Also, what silveraspen said - while I know you well enough to know you're poking fun at your own privilege there, you're not really doing it in a way that helps me feel you're actually calling yourself on it - it's that line about how satire only works if it's obvious as satire?

And the way you wrote that sounds almost exactly like the ways Fanhistory and Fanlib used to talk about their ventures into fandom in search of a quick buck and "indie" cred, rather than fandom for fandom's sake, while claiming to the mainstream to be "representatives" of fandom to the mainstream.

So ... just, you know, keep that in mind, bb.

[badninja]

Second vote on Sesame Street fanfic. Or Reading Rainbow. THE MORE YOU KNOW

[impactbomb]

take a look~ it's in a book~

And now I'm thinking of horrible, perverse interpretations of the phrase "reading rainbow". Lulz.

[badninja]

just apply kilik and his invisible wire trick and you've really got it going on

[rushin_doll]

*nodnod* Related to what I said to papel_luna above somewhere, and with the caveat that I may be wrong headed to think this way, I'm basically relying on the fact that people know me, and that I'm writing for people who know m to offset tone. I'm not asking utter strangers, which is what I feel Fanhistory and Fanlib did, I'm asking my friends. The context of the discussion is intensely important, I feel

[impactbomb]

Privilege is privilege, bad tone is bad tone: if you're my friend it just means I give you enough benefit of the doubt to tell you off for it instead of thinking you're a jerkface immediately. It doesn't change that initial tension, that feeling of getting socked in the face, that comes from being told through implication or otherwise, "I think you're just a tool for me to use and I am a person and you're not".

Relying on friendship and intentionality does, in fact, only go so far towards mollifying that feeling of "HOW DARE YOU" that such behavior inspires in someone who doesn't share that privilege, or make them feel any less used.

(I probably would have not even said anything if we hadn't talked long enough, recently, for me to feel that I knew you didn't mean it that way; if I hadn't thought you'd care about how you came off, I'd have felt it wasn't worth the effort.)

Although I'll be honest, I'm not really annoyed - but I do want you to understand that if I didn't know you as well as I do (and didn't trust you), I would be

[rushin_doll]

Interestingly I wasn't reading it as angry or hostile. Though I suspect that's a mix of me knowing you and the fact that I'm loaded up on privilege. It turns out that I can afford to assume that everyone's being pleasant because if they're not, well, big whoop. It's something I occasionally worry about, but I ultimately decide that there are enough benefits to assuming best intentions that I don't want to change it

[impactbomb]

It makes sense. It's also a case study in why sometimes arguments via analogy are bad.

Well, digression, sure, but we digress about fifteen times in a given conversation anyway, so in this case I'll forego the explanation of how digressions are an easy diversionary tactic (and, in this case, there's an easy way to bring it back to the topic we started with) and just get to the point:

Yes, it's relevant to put things like discussing Mai-HiME into the context of shifting contextual tone, and it's fair to say that the statement you made reads differently in different contexts, but the two contexts at work here are "privileged = reading with best intentions all around" and "non-privileged = can't afford to assume best intentions, even from friends, as much as we/they might like to".

And in that kind of context, bad tone is always the former, and so yes, you can say "bad tone is bad tone", because it's not the same as an opinion like "But I hate Mai-HiME" is, it's actually a verbal stance with real-world psychological effects

[rushin_doll]

Have we ever had a discussion that didn't go through at least five or six levels of digression? Not that I mind. I love digression because it's fun and often profitable. Though, yeah, I'm fully aware that digression is an easy-to-grab conversational gambit if you want to avoid the current topic