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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 01:35:29 UTC
there's a certain player in this game who apparently gets their jollies from driving others out of the game. they always do it quietly, and they only do it to people in the casts they play in.

i'm not going to name any names, because there's no "proof" that i can offer. all the harassment they cause is in chats, PMs, and emails. to be honest, i just feel that someone should acknowledge that this person exists and that they're an asshole because there are a lot of other players in their casts who seem to be really good at watching this person drive people out of the game and pretending it isn't happening.

honestly, i love this game. but sometimes, after knowing that this person has taken the fun out of a silly hobby for more than one person in the most passive-aggressive and hurtful way possible, no tagging them or acknowledging their existence IC and OOC just isn't enough.

i guess you could say i'm just holding a bitter grudge. though for the record i only know of this because, believe it or not, a rl friend was stressing out and i discovered, by virtue of glancing over their shoulder at a sleepover, that they were being harassed online. it's ugly and cruel and it makes me glad i'll never have to interact with them, and it makes me angry that i'll probably never have a chance to give back to her what she's given to undeserving others.

...and, looking back over this, sorry for the tl;dr. i guess i just needed to get this off of my chest.

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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 01:50:50 UTC
I know exactly who you're talking about, but like you, I only hear it secondhand. I keep a wide distance, I stay out of the casts, but it's still very frustrating to see happening. I haven't said anything or dropped a name because I don't want to make waves in an otherwise very calm game.

Maybe they'll do something in public someday? Or to me? This is really all I'm hoping for.

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anonymous May 20 2011, 03:29:16 UTC
Can we get a cast name drop? I'd really rather know before I accidentally app into one of them someday.

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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 04:34:44 UTC
I witnessed this some months ago, or at least it sounds exactly like a situation I observed unfolding. One player was slowly driving people out of a cast, hijacking it and making things unbearable for players they didn't like and for people who had CR with players they didn't like. Fortunately the culprit left the game a few months back, and while this was a relief for the people who were bullied, so far none of them have re-apped the characters they dropped as a result of the perpetual harassment.

To hear that something similar is happening now really angers and disappoints me, especially since the game has seemed incredibly peaceful this spring.

I'd highly recommend dropping the mods a quick message in the comment box, just so that they are at least aware of your concerns about this player. Even if you don't have specifics, you can anonymously let them know that there is trouble in a certain cast.

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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 11:29:49 UTC
Agreed. Even if it's just second-hand, giving the mods something to watch out for will probably help root out the problem a bit faster?

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da anonymous May 20 2011, 17:22:06 UTC
Definitely agree with this. Speaking from personal experience, it really helps to inform them of these things, and to speak up for yourself. I've been hesitant to file an official complaint before because I was worried about my harasser finding out, and the mods did absolutely everything in their power to protect me and take quick disciplinary action. It's hard standing up against bullies, but the mods are on your side.

No one deserves being attacked or harassed. There's no place for that in this game, and you all deserve better.

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+1 anonymous May 20 2011, 14:36:41 UTC
There are still very nasty people in this game and I really hope that one day they poke their heads out far enough for the modhammer to come down on them and give them what they deserve.

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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 14:38:32 UTC
I wish there was some sort of hint because I'm wondering if this is involving the cast I'm in, for various reasons. :/a

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anonymous May 20 2011, 17:58:58 UTC
Does this have to do with the Bennett player who dropped?

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anonymous May 21 2011, 22:00:38 UTC
Bennett was just one of the many, apparently.

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Re: CAPE AND COWL anonymous May 20 2011, 22:30:06 UTC
You know what would be amazing? Is if all of you people who supposedly know something would get up and go tell the mods instead of dragging it out on here so that something could be done AND you could stop starting up a scare storm.

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+1 anonymous May 20 2011, 22:38:40 UTC
Seriously. Go to the mods. It can be done anonymously and the issue can and will be dealt with. They take issues of harassment very seriously and they will do whatever they can to protect your privacy and get the problem solved. Venting about it is good and all, but now people are going to be hyper-worried that something is happening in their cast, or feeling like there's underlying wank in the game.

If you're worried about your privacy, perhaps I can provide some comfort. I had an issue with harassment about a year ago and I can assure you that the matter was dealt with quickly and fairly. The mods were very discreet when it came to investigating the situation and I felt very confident and safe letting them take the lead. The mods are there to help you, but if they don't know about a problem, they can't do anything to put an end to it.

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anonymous May 20 2011, 22:50:51 UTC
I'm the first anon that responded to this thread. Like I said, the complaints I've heard have been vague enough that bringing it to the mods didn't seem like it would lead to anything. (The person who confided in me said they 'wouldn't bother' reporting it and were vague to me, so I know very little. I didn't see any chat logs.) But I'll follow the advice upthread and tell them anyway, just in case there's something else I'm not aware of that will give my evidence more water. It doesn't hurt to make them aware of the possibility of a problem, at the very least.

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above anon anonymous May 20 2011, 23:09:37 UTC
I'm very glad to hear this! You never know, someone else may have/may be considering alerting the mods about the same situation. While it's unfortunate to have the problem in the first place, I agree that having multiple reports on it may be very beneficial for the mods as they look into it.

Good luck! :)

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OP anonymous May 21 2011, 04:18:16 UTC
to be conpletely honest i've been very surprised at the number of responses. i didn't figure anybody would believe me, much less profess to having the same experiences (if only second hand, like me).

sadly, at least from my experience, even being warned has done nothing to curb their behavior (i talked my friend into saving some chatlogs and showing the mods and they were, in fact, extremely supportive and did give a strike to the person in question). for what it's worth almost immediately after driving them out, though, this player was right back at their old game, driving out another castmate with the same harassment. not everyone feels brave enough to take this kind of things to the mods. i wish they would because then the player would no doubt get booted from the game and i wouldn't feel a need to air my grudge (justified or no) here at anoncomm.

so in short i'm going to have to echo the sentiment of one of the first anons who replied to my original comment. i wish that i had some interest in the canons they play from so i could get into their cast and have it happen to me. i know i would save chatlogs, save PMs, and collect enough info to get them at least another strike.

if i'm going to be even more honest, part of why i wrote that spiel up in the first place was in the hope that the person in question would see it and know that, without a doubt, there is someone who witnessed their actions in person and knows, without going to data that someone else gave them, that they did what they did.

it's probably petty. but cnc's threads on here seem to be pretty rational, at least here in the last few weeks. and i think the responses i've seen here have been, for the most part, very logical and not very panicked or scared. i'm glad other people are hinting at having seen what might be the same person doing the dirty work, because it means a better chance of them getting their just desserts. it's made me feel a lot better about the whole thing.

that's my two cents, i guess.

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Re: OP anonymous May 21 2011, 04:44:58 UTC
I don't often comment here, but I'd just like to say that I agree completely with this part of your comment:

...the hope that the person in question would see it and know that, without a doubt, there is someone who witnessed their actions in person and knows, without going to data that someone else gave them, that they did what they did.

I'm fairly certain I know who you're talking about. I watched in real time as they harassed one of my closest friends into dropping. They didn't send me copies of chatlogs or PMs; I was literally looking over their shoulder at their computer during most of the harassment. Fortunately my friend did take all of that to the mods, and action was taken. That's the reason I can't do any more for the situation, even though I doubt the person in question has changed their ways. The knowledge I have has already been passed on to our modteam.

But despite that, I feel like this person feels powerful because the things they do to people happen behind the scenes. In my mind, they smugly think that even if things like chatlogs get passed on to the mods, they don't count as proof because it could have been edited or simply made up by the reporting player.

I also wish very strongly that I could go up to this player and tell them that I saw everything they did in real life, in real time. I wish I could tell them the emotional impact they had on my friend. I wish I could make them understand that they hurt a real person, not just some faceless internet persona. But most of all, I wish that I could give them the knowledge that someone knows the kind of person they really are.

With all of that hideously long speech said, I strongly encourage you to go to the mods if you have any information that hasn't already been reported. We play in a great game and it can only get better with the removal of players like the one (or ones, though I honestly hope there isn't more than one person who acts like this) being discussed in these threads.

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