Comments | roxybisquaint: I like my TSCC scrambled, with a side of crazy

roxybisquaint

I like my TSCC scrambled, with a side of crazy

Jan 18, 2010 06:44

Theory, glorious theory!John Henry's "brother" tried to kill him and also wants Savannah dead. Those are two good reasons for John Henry to want to stop him. So why jump to the future to destroy the AI that's after him and Savannah in the present? Well, I don't think he did. I think John Henry is still in 2009 and after finding out Kaliba's ( Read more... )

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indiefic January 19 2010, 14:27:42 UTC

I'm with you on Sarah's motivations for letting John jump, for John wanting to Jump and for Cameron manipulating the hell out of everybody and not jumping.

As for John Henry. God, trying to figure out his motivations makes my head hurt. I go back and forth on whether or not the writers and Josh were brilliant and ten steps ahead or if they didn't know what the fuck John Henry's motivations were either and they totally pulled everything out of their collective ass. I really suspect it's the latter.

On a side note, I LOVE how much you love this show. It makes me all warm and fuzzy to know I'm not the only person who thinks about this stuff all the damn time.

cj2017 January 19 2010, 21:50:15 UTC

I go back and forth on whether or not the writers and Josh were brilliant and ten steps ahead or if they didn't know what the fuck John Henry's motivations were either and they totally pulled everything out of their collective ass. I really suspect it's the latter.

I think JH was a work in progress - like so many of the open ends left by the show - and they were probably figuring him out as they went along. The threads for his development were being sewn - his reaction to being switched off (the implication that perhaps this was the point the Turk became "angry and scared"), his discovery of/interest in his brother, the ability to do his own research and finally the suggestion that he acted in league with Cameron to put into play some scheme of his own...

Maybe each season was planned as a significant stage in his development and S3 would've been moody, obnoxious and wilful teen, kicking out against his ersatz mother and generally being rebellious... Think S2 John only with superior body strength ;-)

On a side note, I LOVE how ( ... )

indiefic January 20 2010, 01:24:52 UTC

I never considered that he was pretending to be close to her just so she'd be better at manipulating his younger self.

Personally, I don't want an intervention ;) But a support group sounds groovy. Can we come up with a SCC drinking game?

cj2017 January 20 2010, 11:24:03 UTC

A drinking game would be fabulous. I'm amazed there isn't one already (actually, there probably is one) Can you imagine how wrecked you'd be if you included:

Sarah trashes a car.
John acts like a dick.
Sarah gets throttled.
Someone unnecessarily quotes the movies.
Derek acts like a dick.
Ellison acts like a dick.
Sarah trashes a pancake.
Cameron wears something inappropriate and sits uncomfortably close to John.
Someone Sarah has slept with/spoken to/interacted with/brushed past on the street dies.
Sarah's scars jump location/disappear/conveniently reappear...

roxybisquaint January 20 2010, 18:36:25 UTC

I'm totally putting that on on the after-hours activities list for the con :D

I'll add to it:
Ellison buttons or unbuttons his jacket.

cj2017 January 21 2010, 07:58:04 UTC

Hee. Those were just off the top of my head. You could get trashed just drinking every time Sarah says "long story." Cos, rewatching, she says it a lot. And tank tops... tank tops have got to be in there!

roxybisquaint November 15 2011, 09:02:34 UTC

Because I'm in a TSCC kind of mood tonight, I found myself reading through some of my old posts and comment threads and your drinking list... I LOLed for real.

Oh fuck me I still miss this show. It's been 2 1/2 years, I should be over it by now! One day I'll be like Sarah standing in the grave yard talking about Kyle: "it's been 25 years..."

roxybisquaint January 20 2010, 09:13:57 UTC

the implication that perhaps this was the point the Turk became "angry and scared"

Burning up the Turk did no good because he just made another one. Killing Andy did no good because someone else then developed it. Just like Sarah and Derek said when they first met: "We both failed". <-- And why didn't I pick up on that lovely connection before now?

Anyway, I think the whole idea behind John Henry is "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." It's basically the idea behind John relying too much on metal and Ellison's approach to JH, too. But it's a bad idea becasue it screams failure. And that's exactly what happened - failure. Judgement day happened.

Think S2 John only with superior body strength ;-)

LOL.

roxybisquaint January 20 2010, 08:41:41 UTC

I feel pretty confident that John Henry's only motivation was to protect Savannah and meet/stop his AI brother. When he said "will you join us?" to Cameron, I think he was merely anticipating what Weaver would've said to cameron had she been there.

All through the finale, John Henry was becoming strangely attuned to Weaver's thoughts. At first he was echoing her. Then he was speaking at the same time as her (and he looked confused about how he was doing it; so did Weaver). So I'd expect the next step to be for him to say what Weaver was going to say before she said it. How? Why? Don't know, but it had something to do with that "tweaking" that happened when Murch changed a wire.

Or maybe I'm over-thinking that and JH simply overheard Weaver giving that message to Ellison to give to Cameron ;)

I definitely think there was some pulling of things out of their asses too. :P

On a side note, I LOVE how much you love this show. It makes me all warm and fuzzy to know I'm not the only person who thinks about this stuff all the damn time. ( ... )

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