I like my TSCC scrambled, with a side of crazy

[roxybisquaint]

Theory, glorious theory!John Henry's "brother" tried to kill him and also wants Savannah dead. Those are two good reasons for John Henry to want to stop him. So why jump to the future to destroy the AI that's after him and Savannah in the present? Well, I don't think he did. I think John Henry is still in 2009 and after finding out Kaliba's

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[bobmacpharson]

(and for the record, I'm perfectly willing to accept "John Henry somehow made it work" to be a legitimate solution. Especially consider that he was in the process of figuring out how to hack the data on the burnt chip from water cooler guy. He'd already have the interface to try and load/download data from it, so she could have been copied there.)

In fact, assuming the original quote was literally accurate as opposed to approximately transcribed from Dekker's rantings, it's not Cameron's chip, it's Cameron IN John Henry's chip.

[bobmacpharson]

Although I just realized that they had just made a pointed effort to explain that Terminator personalities are contingent on software AND hardware, so putting Cameron in a burnt chip would be really significant (also a major part of her personality is that her chip is damaged in a particular way). Dunno how they'd play that out.

Finally, I am almost positive that Weaver knew exactly what was happening, whatever it was, and was just saying what needed to be said to get John into the future as part of the plan. And if she WAS telling the truth we could interpret "he" (John Henry) to mean the body specifically.

[roxybisquaint]

They made a pointed effort to explain that John Henry's personality was contingent on his particular setup, but that doesn't mean all cyborgs are that way. I didn't notice Cameron changing after John used some spare parts to fix her hand. Also, I'd think yanking her chip and setting her loose in the traffic system for a while might've had some impact as well if that were the case. But the only time Cameron changed was after her chip was physically damaged in the explosion.

[castellan_craft]

If it's both a hardware and software matter as I say, putting Cameron in a new body entirely would also be a significant change

[roxybisquaint]

The biggest thing I have against the theory of Cameron in John Henry's head is simply... why?

Exactly. What would be the point of that? I don't see Cameron ever being Cameron again, which would make everyone sad. Then again... they did it to Derek. Heh. Maybe Josh Friedman hated TSCC and wanted to give it a total reboot :P

Also, Roxy? Glad to see my suggestion that stealing Vick's chip was a part of the plan that early on stuck with you, but.... I coulda sworn it was destroyed. Now you're gonna make me watch season 1 again!

That one was yours? I pull from discussions I have with everyone, so I never remember where I pull my bits and pieces from. I was stuck on water cooler terminator's chip for a long time, but now I think Vick's chip works way better. Good call.

Yes, go back and watch it! We never see that chip get destroyed.

[castellan_craft]

Argh, incoming ramble before work!

That one was yours? I pull from discussions I have with everyone, so I never remember where I pull my bits and pieces from. I was stuck on water cooler terminator's chip for a long time, but now I think Vick's chip works way better. Good call.Yeah, that was me, but not in that context. Aely and I were beating ourselves up trying to figure out how privy Cam was to Weaver's plans and how long she was on her side. It smacked me that Cameron's real motivation for stealing Vick's chip was never explained, only her obvious cover up. I was pretty sure that she nicked that chip knowing that the Anti-Skynet AI that was planned was gonna need to a mobile home. That also plays into the idea that it really isn't Cam in John Henry's body: as much as she's a fan favorite, it doesn't change the fact that in essence John Henry is more important to the war effort. We love the foot soldier, but she's giving up her life (or electronic equivalent thereof) to let the general get away

[roxybisquaint]

I may have to revert back to water cooler's chip because the_narration (comment further down) has fairly successfully stomped the notion of Cameron plotting this that far back. Either chip is a stretch, but I'm determined to make it work that Cameron did not jump or lose her chip!

John Henry is more important to the war effort. We love the foot soldier, but she's giving up her life (or electronic equivalent thereof) to let the general get away.

Are you saying John Henry is Cameron's general? I'm definitely not on board with that idea. She wasn't even aware of his existence until Savannah mentioned to John about the man in the basement with the cord in the back of his head. And we don't know that he's more important to the war effort. There's no prior timeline story about a machine leading the fight against Skynet. All we have is Weaver's belief that he's as important as John Connor.