Comments | roxybisquaint: Dear TSCC season finale,

roxybisquaint

Dear TSCC season finale,

Apr 10, 2009 23:09

Haha. Good one. Okay, I'm ready for the real finale now.

Love,
Roxy

ETA: I'm working on an in-depth post and once that's up I'll be ready to dive into the discussion.

ETA 2: Born to Run discussion post (part 1).
ETA 3: Born to Run discussion post (part 2).

tscc discussion, sarah connor chronicles, things that piss me off, kneejerk reaction

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johnnypate April 11 2009, 11:35:14 UTC

I loved it ( ... )

johnnypate April 11 2009, 13:00:06 UTC

If my hypothesis of the finale is correct - that John and the Weaverbot jumped forward in time to the future before the events seen in the original “Terminator” movie, then we saw Derek’s death (for Sarah’s timeline anyway, i.e. in the "Sarah Connor Chronicles"). The Derek we saw at the end of the finale is the Derek we know before future!John has sent back Kyle Reese and before "our" Derek jumped back to meet Sarah - is the Derek that will (in his own personal future) die trying to rescue Savannah.

sabaceanbabe April 11 2009, 13:04:00 UTC

I think you're right, except for that part about "You ever heard of a John Connor?" So things may be kinda the same after this point but they'll also be different.

johnnypate April 11 2009, 14:04:52 UTC

Actually, that strengthens my hypothesis. The John who is the saviour in "Terminator" is friendly enough with Kyle to give him a picture of Sarah. What we just saw the first meeting between Kyle and John. John knows what Kyle must do and how it will happen (which was rather implied in the original film, to my reading of it - why else would John give Kyle a photo of his mother?). John has appeared, reborn through the time bubble (he can no longer go back to "his" Sarah because he's made a jump in a time bubble Sarah wasn't in) to be the saviour of the human race ( ... )

johnnypate April 11 2009, 14:44:32 UTC

Addendum: in my hypothesis Sarah really does have terminal cancer and she knows it - which is consistent within the established "Terminator" (T3 included) canon and particularly what we've seen in TSCC. She couldn't go with John - and she wasn't fated to.

trystanknight April 11 2009, 20:44:22 UTC

For john and roxy:

Josh Friedman wasn't lying in the first season future flash. If this was his plan for the series all along, then the 18 year old John Connor that Derek saw at the end of his future flash WAS FUTURE!JOHN. Literally.

-Soran (nice to see you off NewFilmDimension John ;) )

P.S. - if this was Josh plan all along, that finale was pure unmitigated awesome, roxy ;). Every plot about derek And Jessie can now be resolved before it happens since John knows about it.

johnnypate April 12 2009, 18:30:37 UTC

(I do get around and about - on the intarw3bz at least ( ... )

bobmacpharson April 12 2009, 18:33:55 UTC

Make sure to watch as much of it on fox.com as you can, so you actually contribute to ratings.

roxybisquaint April 13 2009, 03:32:36 UTC

Funny you should mention that because I've been in deep time travel discussions with my husband this evening, tossing about the possibilities and consequences of John's time jump. And that very topic came up.

I had to wonder if the appearance of future!John in Derek's flashback in D&D wasn't just the result of Derek blending 2007!John with 2027!John in his mind. Could it have been the 17-year-old John who we just saw jump from 2009 to 2027 (or whenever he jumped to)?

For a second I thought, yes. But Derek told John in "What He Beheld" that he'd celebrated John's 30th birthday with him. So that means Derek knew an adult future!John, not a teenage future!John.

roxybisquaint April 13 2009, 05:51:19 UTC

Since there is no future!John in this timeline, Kyle Reese couldn't have been sent back, so him being there really doesn't indicate that we're at a point before he would have been sent back.

bobmacpharson April 11 2009, 14:45:49 UTC

[quote]And for all the Jameron fans, John gets to meet Allison Young. His true love.[/quote]

Honestly, I don't think so. I think a major plot point may be his realization that Allison Young is NOT Cameron, and the things that interested him in Cameron are not there any more.

johnnypate April 11 2009, 18:44:10 UTC

They could go that way with it... to pander to the hentai robot sex sickos... or they could go with John realising the difference between robots and humans. My way, Cameron would be sent away by a grieving John because the metal was a painful reminder, a hideous portrait in flesh, of the lovely and vital Allison Young.

bobmacpharson April 11 2009, 19:03:11 UTC

This isn't about sicko hentai robot sex, it's about exploring what exactly a relationship (romantic or otherwise) between a robot and human would be like. As I said before, I think we already got a "sex" scene between the two. Cameron opening herself up to him like that is more intimate than traditional human sex would be.

I'm sure the relationship between Allison and John would be interesting in its own right, but apart from her having the body of the robot he already cares about, it wouldn't be anything we couldn't explore in any other show. The relationship between humans and machines is pretty much the entire point of the show.

roxybisquaint April 13 2009, 05:48:46 UTC

We have no way of knowing if Allison was ever or will be his true love, but she certainly isn't right now. He doesn't even know her.

Sarah stepped out of the time bubble because jumping to the future meant giving up - quitting the fight. She's determined to stop judgement day and there's no way to do that from a point in time where it's already happened. I'm glad she didn't go. I'm only sorry that meant she got stuck with that fucking idiot Ellison.

Even if John joins the resistance and eventually gets to be a bubble tech, I don't think he can send anyone back without closing off his own timeline and trapping himself there. I think I might have mentioned that in another comment, though. I don't know - I've been skipping around all over the place :P

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