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Fic Rec: Most people will already know about this, but in case it's slipped under anyone's radar: casira's All Through the Night. A beautiful, poignant Christmas HP fic featuring strangely endearing teenage boys

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[rochefort]

He is so beautiful in my head that nobody in Real Life can come close.

This was my problem. I know what he looked like, at least when he was younger, but people who look like that are quite rare. This man was IT. The programme doesn't have its own website, I've since discovered and I may have to ring up for the information booklet they give away. (This is ok, as it'll help with other, non-Sirius-related research I'm doing, anyway.) I'll scan him when I get him and you can decide.

And the multiple endings: alarm bells started to ring when [SPOILERS!]
the remaining members of the Fellowship trooped into Frodo's room one by one. Were they all standing outside in a big queue? Aragorn's coronation looked too much like the end of Star Wars; Elrond's emotions at the coronation scene were all wrong for how he'd been acting up until that point; the Aragorn/Arwen kiss was sooooo unconvincing - there was about as much chemistry between those two as between two dead haddock - and yes, Arwen was such a fecking wimp. Lying about on couches, waiting to be saved. Please. Oh, and Rosie was such a beard.

[mrsronweasley]

Oh, and Rosie was such a beard.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, you crack me up! She WAS! I mean, here they are (Sam and Frodo, that is), just about to [bleep for spoilers] and suddenly she gets mentioned? It's sort of like he wanted to say "Kiss me, Mister Frodo!" but didn't know how to go about it. Heh. Yeah, I can see what you mean about the wedding ending - it was a bit like Star Wars. But I did like them all coming in...because, like I said, I love hobbits and Frodo. Tralalala, moving on...

Aragorn and Arwen was, frankly, more convincing in the books than in the films, and Eowyn was just EONS better. Eons. Just goes to show that Faramir totally lucked out with that one. Arwen...what a wimp. So, she turned around. So what? Ugh. What was REALLY cheesy for me was how they 'hid' her until Aragorn could see her. Honestly.

[mrsronweasley]

P.S. I can't wait to see him! You rock.

[rochefort]

The moment with Sam and Frodo sitting on the rock was the most romantic scene in the film. (Although I might be persuaded by an Eowyn/Faramir moment, if one exists in the EE - which I see today could be over five hours long! Joy!)

I haven't read the books. So do you mean Eowyn was better in the films than in the books? And yes, Faramir was a lucky man, Aragorn a dimwit for turning her down. Hmph.

And Arwen peeping out coyly from behind that banner... urgh.

[lyricalnights]

Believe it or not, Arwen has MORE of a character in the movies than in the books, even if that just results in more annoyance.

In the book she's background noise who appears only at Rivendell and her wedding. *g*

[rochefort]

So was all that stuff about her saving Frodo from the Ringwraiths just made up by Peter Jackson? I suppose that explains why she never actually did anything else throughout the eight or so hours of the three films, other than lie about the place; I didn't really understand that.

If she's such a relatively minor character in the books, it must seem even more baffling that Aragorn chooses her. Huh.

[lyricalnights]

That part (saving Frodo) was actually caged from another character in the books, an elf from Elrond's household named Glorfindel. It all happened pretty much that way, just not with Arwen.

All that "tied to the fate of the ring" crap was made up by PJ, but I figure I can cut him some slack, considering much the movies on the whole rock.

They are united by Twue Wuve, or some such silliness. ;) It's a bit less treacly in the books (I thought it very romantic when I was young and hormonal), but that's pretty much it.

[rochefort]

Arwen's being tied to the fate of the ring was a pretty good argument for just handing it over to Sauron. (Yes, I disliked her that much.) This is all making me think I should actually just go and read the damn books once and for all.

[lyricalnights]

*cheers* Welcome to the Dark Side of the Force. ;)

[mrsronweasley]

The moment with Sam and Frodo sitting on the rock was the most romantic scene in the film.

For me, it's tied with the part where Sam picks him up and carries him to the mountain and Merry and Pippin saying goodbye. But you already knew about my unhealthy hobbit love...

I was a bit upset at not seeing any Eowyn/Faramir, but I never quite bought that romance in the books - it was too quick and tacked on for my tastes - but their smile at the end was nice. I too am hoping for the EE.

And I actually meant that Eowyn was better than Arwen. Heh. She was...a bit different in the books - colder and more remote, but she still kicked ass, and I think Miranda Otto is amazing. She really brought her to life. Damn that Arwen, anyway. Aragorn, you dumbass. (Though there is more chemistry between Aragorn and E. in the films than in the books. In the books, it's very clearly a one-sided thing.)

Ok, really must go off to bed... I can't really see straight... Happy Christmas!

[rochefort]

Then I'm definitely thinking I should read the books. I read somewhere that there were scenes filmed of a kiss between Eowyn and Aragorn, but the two actors told Peter Jackson they weren't happy to have them included in the final cut because it compromised Aragorn's nobility. Ahhhhh...

[mrsronweasley]

You know, I'm glad they didn't include them. That would make me hate Arwen even more, because, damn, but those two belonged together in the movie. The way she looked in TTT when he came up to her after the final battle was just amazing. She was so genuinely amazed at seeing him, so...real, I can't describe it. Miranda Otto really is fantastic. Though, I must admit...I find Liv Tyler very very attractive. But her Arwen pisses me off more than words can say.

And yes, read the books! Once you get past the beginning, it really does get interesting and fun. As Katie said once, the books really are a love story - not necessarily romantic, but really, love. It's very reassuring to read, in a way.

Happy Christmas eve!

mwah!

[rochefort]

Miranda Otto is fantastic. As I said to you elsewhere, if I were gay or a man, I'd probably fancy her. I don't find Liv Tyler attractive at all, though. She's sort-of admirable, in a kind of distant way, but then not even very much. Hmm.

What's put me off reading the books so far is the committment involved. When I had lots of time in the past, I could sit and read something like Bleak House or Middlemarch and know I could easily devote a week of my life to it. Now I seem so busy and I want to be writing stuff rather than reading other people's, you know? Still, Tolkien is Tolkien...

I remember hearing a good story about him. Apparently he and other members of his group of academic chums, the Inklings (they were geeky enough to call their little group by a name!), used to meet at the same pub in Oxford every Tuesday night and read each other bits of what they'd written in the previous week. So one night Tolkien reaches into his bag and pulls out a huge wodge of manuscript to read to the others, and C.S. Lewis turns to the guy sitting next to him and says, 'Oh, no, not another fucking elf.'
That story pleases me so much...

But yes, I'll read the books in 2004. I just have to decide to set aside some time to do it.

p.s.

[rochefort]

Mwah! to you too!

[mrsronweasley]

As I said to you elsewhere, if I were gay or a man, I'd probably fancy her.

As it is, I have found myself liking her ever since RoTK. *sigh* As if I needed another person to fancy! As for Liv Tyler, I am a sucker for her beautiful skin and hair, I admit. In fact, I've liked her since I saw her in Aerosmith's "Crazy" video, that's how far back it goes. But her Arwen is really infuriatingly irritating. (And I hated her in "Onegin" but that is because it was based on Pushkin and, as much as Americans like to think they've got Russia figured out, they don't. It was pure, unbridled cheese.)

Tolkien is Tolkien, and he's very very very long. So, that's completely understandable. I'd say it is just another one of those books that you have to read, but I have a history of not following that advice myself (you don't know how many Russian classics I still haven't read, much to my mother's frustration). So, whenever you have time. Hey, it'll still be there... And that story made me laugh. I wonder if he read it in Elvish. The man was a piece of work - and I admire him immensely for it, even if I probably would have said the same thing. Did you know he was teaching at Oxford the same time Mary Renault was a student there, in the women's college? I find to be rather cool...

Have fun reading it, whenever you get to it! Save some love for my hobbits. *g*

mwah!