this is actually what I've been afraid of feeling and why I have sort of not entirely by accident missed the pilot and the second ep, even tho I really like Matthew Perry. Also, and I may be alone here, I loathe Bradley Whitford. So again with the avoidance for fear of feeling the non-love.
I'm actually continually amused by his schizophrenia on this subject: I mean, he has Jordan say that tv viewers aren't dumber than tv creators, but then has Tom/Simon call us all lonely fatties. What exactly is he talking about when he says he wants to raise the level of dialogue in this country? The dialogue between him and himself?
I don't think your opinion is actually that unpopular; most fans of his will readily admit that he spares no love for us. I think we all just differ in how much of that we're willing to put up with for the other stuff of his that we like.
It doesn't make me sad. Just presents me with a moral dilemma: Do I watch anyway, because it's good television, knowing his true feelings? Can I remain in this abusive relationship for the joys it affords me? I mean, when we met Jordan, I thought for a second there he was starting to like his female characters.
(I haven't actually seen this week's ep yet; I figure I got the gist of the problem from your post.)
Oh, I should add (having not seen the ep yet and talking out of my ass), I suspect that the Gertrude remark is only half the story.
I know people who work in the arts. And I, of course, make vids (no - there's a point). I know that when I make a new vid, my Entire Sense of Self-Worth is Completely Wedded to how well the vid is received; if it's not enjoyed, it is nothing less than a Rejection of the Inner Core of My Being. (For a few days; then sanity returns).
This experience is but a fraction of the ones actually experienced by real people who actually work in the arts, like my friends -- and, I assume, like Sorkin.
Which means that contempt he may feel, but it's a contempt that is at least part born out of deep neediness (he needs fat Gertrude to accept and love him, and not just for professional success), and insecurity (if his shows are unsuccessful, it's because fat Gertrude just isn't sophisticated enough to understand him
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I loved the show, but I do mention his little hissy fit in my review. He loves it when the fans say nice things, but acts like a 2 year old when they dare criticize his shows. Plus, instead of debating their arguments, he always goes for a personal attack. He needs to grow up. If it upsets him so much then stop reading it. Same principle as he had Jordan explain about changing the channel on the TV. Unlike BSG's growing misogyny, it doesn't bother me enough to make me stop watching this show though. I can certainly understand why it would turn other people off from the show however. How did you like Heroes? If you didn't see it, they're showing it again Tuesday at 8 PM. I recommend it! :)
I still think N/T is the best show currently on TV. :)
I thought Heroes was interesting enough to make me watch again. (Adrian Pasdar! With the twist! Two great tastes that taste great together.) I don't know how fannish I'll end up about it, but I loved the cheerleader. Not so sure about the stripper on the run.
N/T is pretty much the most perfect instantiation of its aim on TV -- it most fully realizes its aims -- but I might have to bet on Veronica Mars for best show on TV. Fundamentally, I want a moral hero, even though I can't get enough of Christian. Also, the fact that I dislike Sean and have moderate contempt for Julia and Matt, and truly fear for little Annie's sanity, makes it harder for me to put N/T at the top of the list. For me, it's an incredibly well-executed show with one awesome character, can't-stop-watching plots, and a bunch of characters that get on my nerves. Oh, and Roma Maffia, who is also great. Whereas I'd watch the Logan Echolls show, the Eli Navarro show, the Wallace Fennell show, probably even the Kendall Casablancas show ...
Sean is the only one on the show I really detest. He's just a screwed up as the others on the show, but he pretends that he isn't and looks down on them.
truly fear for little Annie's sanity
She and Matt never had a chance. *eg*
We didn't get UPN, so I never got the chance to watch VM. I need to try and rent it.
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I don't think your opinion is actually that unpopular; most fans of his will readily admit that he spares no love for us. I think we all just differ in how much of that we're willing to put up with for the other stuff of his that we like.
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What really got me was the fact that this was ten minutes into the second episode. I'm not invested enough to watch after that.
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(I haven't actually seen this week's ep yet; I figure I got the gist of the problem from your post.)
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I know people who work in the arts. And I, of course, make vids (no - there's a point). I know that when I make a new vid, my Entire Sense of Self-Worth is Completely Wedded to how well the vid is received; if it's not enjoyed, it is nothing less than a Rejection of the Inner Core of My Being. (For a few days; then sanity returns).
This experience is but a fraction of the ones actually experienced by real people who actually work in the arts, like my friends -- and, I assume, like Sorkin.
Which means that contempt he may feel, but it's a contempt that is at least part born out of deep neediness (he needs fat Gertrude to accept and love him, and not just for professional success), and insecurity (if his shows are unsuccessful, it's because fat Gertrude just isn't sophisticated enough to understand him ( ... )
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I still think N/T is the best show currently on TV. :)
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N/T is pretty much the most perfect instantiation of its aim on TV -- it most fully realizes its aims -- but I might have to bet on Veronica Mars for best show on TV. Fundamentally, I want a moral hero, even though I can't get enough of Christian. Also, the fact that I dislike Sean and have moderate contempt for Julia and Matt, and truly fear for little Annie's sanity, makes it harder for me to put N/T at the top of the list. For me, it's an incredibly well-executed show with one awesome character, can't-stop-watching plots, and a bunch of characters that get on my nerves. Oh, and Roma Maffia, who is also great. Whereas I'd watch the Logan Echolls show, the Eli Navarro show, the Wallace Fennell show, probably even the Kendall Casablancas show ...
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Sean is the only one on the show I really detest. He's just a screwed up as the others on the show, but he pretends that he isn't and looks down on them.
truly fear for little Annie's sanity
She and Matt never had a chance. *eg*
We didn't get UPN, so I never got the chance to watch VM. I need to try and rent it.
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