On Post-Ruusan Jedi

Mar 20, 2010 13:51

"It's like how you have Yoda, who ruined Dooku, who ruined Qui-Gon, who ruined Obi-Wan, who ruined Anakin, who ruined everything."
-Kohai_Tiger

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ziabandito555 March 20 2010, 21:39:31 UTC
I don't understand -10 geek points

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mikazo March 20 2010, 21:46:19 UTC
Hey! That's a good criteria to determine if it has geek value.

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ziabandito555 March 20 2010, 23:24:05 UTC
What? My not understanding?

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mikazo March 21 2010, 01:03:47 UTC
If something deals with topics that are so highly specific that only geeks understand it, then it gets geek points.

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nachtfuchs March 20 2010, 22:02:52 UTC
Can't stop staring at your icon..........

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stilghar March 21 2010, 00:48:04 UTC
Yours isn't bad, either.

Cute fox + glasses = hot. ^,^

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nachtfuchs March 21 2010, 10:59:07 UTC
Thank you sir :)

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rikoshi March 21 2010, 03:29:19 UTC
Well, Luke doesn't directly follow from this line of succession. The initial core of his training comes from Obi-Wan, who definitely learned his lesson from his failure with Anakin-a failure that quite directly and literally led to the murder of all of Obi-Wan's friends and comrades. So yeah, he had incentive not to fuck it up twice.

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stilghar March 21 2010, 00:45:26 UTC
Hey, now. I *liked* Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan wasn't bad, either. I'd hardly consider either of them ruined.

I suppose I could blame Sidious for Tyranus and Vader, but all he really did was take advantage of inherent flaws in the material that already existed.

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rikoshi March 21 2010, 03:12:06 UTC
Qui-Gon definitely tried to hold Obi-Wan to a standard that he didn't hold himself to. In TPM, Obi-Wan's significant annoyance at his master and his style isn't hard to see. He's also annoyed by Anakin and initially agrees with the Jedi Council that training him as a Jedi would be a bad idea; it's only out of misguided guilty feelings from Qui-Gon's death that Obi-Wan decides to train Anakin at all.

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stilghar March 21 2010, 03:21:37 UTC
True; I never said that Qui-Gon was flawless.

But were it not for Sidious, Anakin might've turned out ok. He still had issues - and a temper about as stable as Nitroglycerin - but he wouldn't have had the dirty old man with the lightning-bolt fetish whispering not-so-sweet nothings in his ear.

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kymri March 22 2010, 14:19:55 UTC
The problem with the Jedi (good ol' Master Yoda included) is that they have this terrible habit of being blithely assumptive of their superiority while failing to notice the DARK LORD OF THE SITH sitting across the table.

No wonder the Sith manage to nearly wipe out the Jedi over and over and over again.

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rikoshi March 22 2010, 17:04:42 UTC
I've made a point before that Yoda's Jedi career is basically marked by inaction, failure, and cowardice. He spends the entire run-up to the Clone Wars refusing to believe that the Sith could have returned, so much so that he wouldn't even send other Jedi to help Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon with the whole Naboo thing.

When Darth Sidious does finally reveal himself, Yoda tries to take him out and doesn't succeed. So what does he do? Does he try to gather up other Jedi and make another desperate attempt to take him down? No. What does he do? He runs the fuck away and lets someone that he knows is a Sith Lord rule the galaxy for the next thirty years while hiding and waiting for someone else to come along and finish what he couldn't.

Dude, fuck Yoda.

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kymri March 22 2010, 17:09:22 UTC
And it's not just Yoda, either. I mean, the whole Jedi Council kind of does that sort of thing regularly. And they meddle here and there in ways that don't necessarily seem all that 'light side', as it were. (Darth Revan anyone?)

But yeah, Yoda's kind of a tool, and he basically has power but doesn't do anything useful with it. Anakin and Luke together do more lasting good for the Galaxy than he does. What's up with that? Whiny-kin himself at least ganks Sidious.

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