Callie must have known what her lawyer was going to do, since she was not shocked or surprised by her at all. So she let her lawyer question Arizona's role as Sofia's mother. But she's done it before, so I can't say I'm surprised. And the look on Callie's face when Arizona had to go. I don't even know how to describe it. It was like she was thinking "See, I'm right, Arizona doesn't care about Sofia". She just automatically goes to think of the worst Arizona. Like last episode when she immediately asked Penny if Arizona was horrible to her. And it wasn't just after they divorced, it was while they were married too. Someone tell me how Arizona could take Callie back after all she's put her through. It's not just about the two of them, but Callie was trying to take her child away from her.
I'm proud of how Arizona defended herself. She was fierce, she was heartfelt, she was strong. And then she had to go because another child depended on her. I wonder if the judge would understand, she did seem rather annoyed.
So Arizona's still thinks April could testify for her? Did she actually asked or she assumed? If April did agree, even though she utlimately didn't because the lawyer didn't trust her, then she may have earned back a few friendship points in my book. Unlike Alex.
I'm a bit worried about the "beautiful payoff" that Kevin was talking about. Hopefully it's him over-hyping things, like he usually does, especially with Owen/Cristina. Obviously he's a glass half-full guy, lol.
And about the Penny testimony, I think Penny wants to testify for Callie, but she understands Arizona, and maybe ends up speaking up for her. That was the purpose of her being on Arizona's service and that knowing look she had when she said Arizona was "great" to her. I think she can empathize with what Arizona's going through. For all the things the show has told us how similar Penny and Arizona are, I think the biggest similarity is Penny is a mature adult, who can put herself in other people's shoes and empathize. Something Callie clearly is incapable of doing. So maybe Penny inadvertently hurts Callie's case, and that makes Callie angry (because she won't understand). Maybe that even leads to the breakup, or at least Penny leaving for NY first without Callie.
As for the future of Arizona/Callie on the show, obviously I'm hoping for no reunion. Not even as friends. I don't know how they could joke with each other or lean on each other as friends after this very ugly custody trial. How can there be any trust at all? Trust was broken after the cheating, and it's definitely gone after this custody battle. You can't sling mud and poison at each other, and then just laugh it off. That, to me, is unbelievable and unrealistic. But, I wouldn't put it past the writers.
I haven't been worried about a Calzona reunion since "Stole the Show". "Good Goodbye" is a further example of the closing.
I disagree about it not being realistic. My uncle went through something similiar with his ex-fiance. Actually she was worst than Callie because she pulled the court card when she was pissed. The first time she bluffed. The second time my uncle called my mom crying because she hired a lawyer. Actually made it to court before she withdrew her request. It took awhile to recover and forgive her, but we all did. Whether we liked it or not their son made us family. It's takes a lot of energy to remain hostile, avoid outings, and miss milestones due to excommunication. Honestly its exhausting and the child never understands.
If they Arizona and Callie can retain joint custody friends only is fine. Sofia deserves to have them both there. Still don't think an actual custody bate was necessary. The process should have been enough in itself.
Ah yes, the song "Stole the Show" was very clear about the status of their relationship, I thought. Again, my problem is I don't trust the writers, lol.
About whether Callie and Arizona being friends, I thought if they were to go back to the way they were, i.e. remain cordial, talk only (mostly) about Sofia, that would be believable. Although then what is the point of the story? But for them to become actual friends, I would say they would have to be sharing jokes, opening up themselves to each other, provide advice to each other. Basically being more than what they were before the custody trial. That, I find to be unrealistic, because to do all that, there must be a level of trust. How can Arizona trust that Callie wouldn't try to take Sofia away from her again if there's a disagreement? She's already done it twice (once after the cheating, and this custody battle).
Co-parents is fine, but friends, I wouldn't buy it.
This time I do for some reason. Comforted by the writers having nothing else to break her with. Really they've exhausted everything: 1) Friendships on damage control 2) Sofia possibly being taken 3) Possible negligence as a doctor 4) Process of losing/moving on from Callie 5) Broken co-parent disruption 6) Connection fear 7) Financial struggle Coupled with previous three seasons there is nothing left but death lol. Season 13 Arizona can only go up. I'm elated to see who is brought on for her.
I think it's still realistic if they retain joint custody. I'll buy them being friends due to personal experience stated earlier as well as the Meredith/Amelia analogy. Unrealistic would be a romantic relationship for me, there is noway Arizona could ever trust Callie in that capacity. I also don't think they'll consciously build a friendship, but they will. Callie doesn't need to be Arizona's best friend or person for friendship to happen. I've just always seen this closing with them. Arizona in a healthy loving relationship. Callie finally by herself doing self-work for no one but herself and Sofia. Them both respecting their family as they create their own. Ideally in Season 14 their family friends only with their partners being their respective "person".
Agree with everything you've said here. I've never ever been so annoyed and hostile towards Callie, I think it 's a combination of Arizona being dumped on for so long and just being used as a B character and Callie shitting on her too that I just have no sympathy for anyone else. My sole focus is Arizona.
I might be, being too harsh on April but she has disappointed me of late.
Callie allowing her Lawyer to go that Low....well that just seriously made me swear out loud several times. Never been so disappointed in nearly all my time of watching Greys. I'm happy with the way Arizona handled it but if she loses I think it will only reinforce what everyone is telling her, Callie, the lawyer, Mark back in the day...Meredith, Owen, Bailey, Penny, all of them taking Callie's side.
It doesn't sound like there is a 'victory' for either one of them but I could be wrong.
I'm just so disappointed.
I can't see them having a better friendship, a deeper friendship and co-existing peacefully and calmly and happily with each other like theresaw say's she think's it's going.
IMO they were getting on fine before this, yes not a deep friendship but are Ex's ever really best buddies? They didn't IMO need to have deep and meaningful's about Sofia because children are very rarely part of the show unless it's a SL as such. So for me the end result has to be either a reconciliation or at least on the way to reuniting or Callie leaves because hating each other is just stupid and no-one is going to stick around to watch something as juvenile as that.
I'm proud of how Arizona defended herself. She was fierce, she was heartfelt, she was strong. And then she had to go because another child depended on her. I wonder if the judge would understand, she did seem rather annoyed.
So Arizona's still thinks April could testify for her? Did she actually asked or she assumed? If April did agree, even though she utlimately didn't because the lawyer didn't trust her, then she may have earned back a few friendship points in my book. Unlike Alex.
I'm a bit worried about the "beautiful payoff" that Kevin was talking about. Hopefully it's him over-hyping things, like he usually does, especially with Owen/Cristina. Obviously he's a glass half-full guy, lol.
And about the Penny testimony, I think Penny wants to testify for Callie, but she understands Arizona, and maybe ends up speaking up for her. That was the purpose of her being on Arizona's service and that knowing look she had when she said Arizona was "great" to her. I think she can empathize with what Arizona's going through. For all the things the show has told us how similar Penny and Arizona are, I think the biggest similarity is Penny is a mature adult, who can put herself in other people's shoes and empathize. Something Callie clearly is incapable of doing. So maybe Penny inadvertently hurts Callie's case, and that makes Callie angry (because she won't understand). Maybe that even leads to the breakup, or at least Penny leaving for NY first without Callie.
As for the future of Arizona/Callie on the show, obviously I'm hoping for no reunion. Not even as friends. I don't know how they could joke with each other or lean on each other as friends after this very ugly custody trial. How can there be any trust at all? Trust was broken after the cheating, and it's definitely gone after this custody battle. You can't sling mud and poison at each other, and then just laugh it off. That, to me, is unbelievable and unrealistic. But, I wouldn't put it past the writers.
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I disagree about it not being realistic. My uncle went through something similiar with his ex-fiance. Actually she was worst than Callie because she pulled the court card when she was pissed. The first time she bluffed. The second time my uncle called my mom crying because she hired a lawyer. Actually made it to court before she withdrew her request. It took awhile to recover and forgive her, but we all did. Whether we liked it or not their son made us family. It's takes a lot of energy to remain hostile, avoid outings, and miss milestones due to excommunication. Honestly its exhausting and the child never understands.
If they Arizona and Callie can retain joint custody friends only is fine. Sofia deserves to have them both there. Still don't think an actual custody bate was necessary. The process should have been enough in itself.
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About whether Callie and Arizona being friends, I thought if they were to go back to the way they were, i.e. remain cordial, talk only (mostly) about Sofia, that would be believable. Although then what is the point of the story? But for them to become actual friends, I would say they would have to be sharing jokes, opening up themselves to each other, provide advice to each other. Basically being more than what they were before the custody trial. That, I find to be unrealistic, because to do all that, there must be a level of trust. How can Arizona trust that Callie wouldn't try to take Sofia away from her again if there's a disagreement? She's already done it twice (once after the cheating, and this custody battle).
Co-parents is fine, but friends, I wouldn't buy it.
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1) Friendships on damage control
2) Sofia possibly being taken
3) Possible negligence as a doctor
4) Process of losing/moving on from Callie
5) Broken co-parent disruption
6) Connection fear
7) Financial struggle
Coupled with previous three seasons there is nothing left but death lol. Season 13 Arizona can only go up. I'm elated to see who is brought on for her.
I think it's still realistic if they retain joint custody. I'll buy them being friends due to personal experience stated earlier as well as the Meredith/Amelia analogy. Unrealistic would be a romantic relationship for me, there is noway Arizona could ever trust Callie in that capacity. I also don't think they'll consciously build a friendship, but they will. Callie doesn't need to be Arizona's best friend or person for friendship to happen. I've just always seen this closing with them. Arizona in a healthy loving relationship. Callie finally by herself doing self-work for no one but herself and Sofia. Them both respecting their family as they create their own. Ideally in Season 14 their family friends only with their partners being their respective "person".
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I might be, being too harsh on April but she has disappointed me of late.
Callie allowing her Lawyer to go that Low....well that just seriously made me swear out loud several times. Never been so disappointed in nearly all my time of watching Greys. I'm happy with the way Arizona handled it but if she loses I think it will only reinforce what everyone is telling her, Callie, the lawyer, Mark back in the day...Meredith, Owen, Bailey, Penny, all of them taking Callie's side.
It doesn't sound like there is a 'victory' for either one of them but I could be wrong.
I'm just so disappointed.
I can't see them having a better friendship, a deeper friendship and co-existing peacefully and calmly and happily with each other like theresaw say's she think's it's going.
IMO they were getting on fine before this, yes not a deep friendship but are Ex's ever really best buddies? They didn't IMO need to have deep and meaningful's about Sofia because children are very rarely part of the show unless it's a SL as such. So for me the end result has to be either a reconciliation or at least on the way to reuniting or Callie leaves because hating each other is just stupid and no-one is going to stick around to watch something as juvenile as that.
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