They did a blow up on Tumblr. It was from April regardding Jennie (the patient) 911. It fits in with the behind the scene pics of April, Alex, Ben and the guest star playing the OB/GYN doctor. Guessing something is going wrong with Jennie's pregnancy.
Jennie had the Mom that said 'this is not what we do', and was the patient in the Arizona / April make up program.
For me, Arizona stepping down as April's doctor showed great character growth - personal and professional. Herman told her you can't objectively treat your friends. I put that in the plus column.
As for April testifying - we don't know yet what will happen. Kevin McKidd suggested we'll see different characters on the stand. April could still come through. Arizona didn't ask April. April wasn't supponeaed, does April know what's happening? I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater - yet.
That said -- if you were to balance Arizona breaking April's confidence and going to Jackson with April reaming out Arizona out of pure gut level fear - does one outweigh the other? It doesn't in my mind -- as both were coming from deep emotional spaces.
The actor playing Arizona's lawyer suggests she gives as good as she gets, so fairly confident the ear boxing will go both ways. Knowing Arizona describes herself as someone who was taught to 'fight dirty' Callie will definitely get sucker punched a time or two.
Else - you can't call it Kramer vs. Kramer, friends picking sides and testifying and the 'lawyers' getting all up in everyone's face.
I think the anger will swing both ways after different scenes play out as they tilt the scales right and left. Animosity. Anger. Hurt. High emotions -- and I'm speaking of the fans not the program! Ha!
I didn't approve of what Arizona did to April, going to Jackson, that wasn't her place, I was one of the one's to call her out on it the moment she did. BUT like Callie, supposedly April forgave her for that, so it's not a tit for tat situation with these two. April's scared I get that but the way she is treating Arizona is crap. She wants her as a doctor then she blames her, then she's nice, then she's pissy, then Arizona steps down and she's angry.
April needs to get her shit together because out of everyone on the show Arizona is one of the most loyal.
Arizona shouldn't have to ask April, Arizona is supposed to be her friend and she is about to lose her daughter, she should be stepping up and fighting with her just like Arizona would have done for her if it came to that with April/Jackson.
Callie has Owen, Bailey and Meredith, the most 3 influential people on the show. And Arizona has who? DeLuca? He's nobody and Webber who I'm sorry is washed up and useless and isn't anybody in the hospital anymore.
If Blood is taken from Arizona then I expect it from the same to Callie but this was all rather predictable from the start Callie will get the good end of the stick and Arizona will do something stupid like giving up like she basically did here or she'll just plain lose.
I wonder if that was the scene we were supposed to be really cut up over or if there is another one?
ETA: forgot something. I wasn't suggesting tit for tat regarding Arizona's actions and Aprils. I was calling that out only to illustrate both characters have their flaws. Both have bad-ass moments and both have bad moments. If they want to be in each others circle, and it gets them both some screen time, I'm all for it.
We know Arizona has Webber. We don't know if Bailey will testify or who she will testify for do we? In the clip isn't she sitting with Webber? Then in the promo with Meredith. Heck, she could just be there to share professional stability for both.
Again I ask -- what does April know? Has there been anything anywhere to say she's aware of the custody battle? Why does she have to stand up if Alex doesn't? Guess I"m not willing to hang her out to dry until we see how everything plays out.
I can't and won't hang April for her interaction with Arizona until something warrants same. I need to see how everything plays out. Mostly because Arizona does count April as her friend and wants to keep that friendship. Until Arizona wants to let go, I'm not letting go.
As for the rest -- we've been told from three or four different sources it is each giving as good as they get. We've seen two clips, that's all. Callie isn't getting off Scot free, and if Kevin isn't trolling, her relationship with Penny is going to be affected as well. Doesn't sound like she's getting a pass at this juncture.
As for who wins the custody battle -- that doesn't really matter only because whatever decision is made will be over turn by the finale - if McKidd is to be believed.
Long way of saying, this program and the next two will level some hard hit truths - from all the characters, with the aftermath resetting some things as far as co-workers and friendships, and co-parenting. That I do believe because Shonda won't send a message that denigrates an adoptive parent vs. a biological one.
Ever think that maybe, just maybe this arc may get Arizona out of the Callie circle and into the bigger mix -- on her own? The potential is certainly there...
Surely April is aware of the life changing event that is taking place in Arizona's life? Everyone else knows why wouldn't she? Im not necessarily hanging her out to dry but I don't like the way she was with Arizona last week and I don't think Arizona telling Jackson about the baby is the same as April blaming Arizona and treating her like her personal punching bag.
I've always loved their friendship but from my perspective April needs to get her shit together.
So because Alex won't you think April shouldn't? Yet it's cool that Meredith, Owen and Bailey the 3 most influential characters stand for Callie? Who does that leave for Arizona and what does that mean for her when this is all over?
I disagree, it does matter who wins. If Callie win's then it say's that Arizona doesn't count...It say's Biology trumps everything else. It too Arizona reinforces what Mark said to her, that she's nothing, what Callie has said countless times that Arizona isnt' Sofia's mother, Callie has said something very similar at least 3 times that I can recall.
If Arizona win's it say's that she IS Sofia's mother no matter what, It shows Callie that too, it also shows Callie that Sofia does matter to Arizona.
Callie winning is just another way to beat down Arizona.
Ever think that maybe, just maybe this arc may get Arizona out of the Callie circle and into the bigger mix -- on her own? ....Bigger mix of who? the people who have stood against her in this? I certainly hope not, she's never been one of the 'cool' kids and I hope she doesn't start now, she doesn't need people like that in her life....If this was Meredith, EVERYONE would be standing up for her. But because it's Arizona, no-one gives a flying toss
Agree to disagree as from my perspective there simply isn't enough of anything one way or the other to conclude anything.
I'm not seeing things the way you are and that's cool. I simply can't get to the same place you are right now and don't see the story the same way you do.
I need to get the whole program and MORE importantly, all the programs till the end of the season.
Then I'll know what's canon, what's speculation, what happens, and what changes.
I'll gladly jump in on cliff-hanger speculation and where everybody was left and all that.
Till then, I'll read everyone's thoughts and opinions with interest, listen to the programs a few time and then sort it all out.
I was under the impression you thought that a reconciliation wasn't possible? Sorry if I assumed but for me at this stage as I don't or forsee a reconciliation for me in something like this it's time to choose sides. While I acknowledge both Arizona and Callie have faults for me it can't always be Arizona's fault and I'm firmly siding with her.
And I don't dislike April, in fact I've loved her up until the last episode.
Many possibilities, so many way's this can go but only one or two way's I see it playing out.
At this stage I'm just looking forward to the hiatus to get a break from the all the drama.
A good ending for season 12 means arriving at an amenable place. Peaceful co-existence a co-parents and perhaps even a developing friendship. Something mentioned a couple of years ago by both actors.
I choose Callie. I Choose Arizona. I choose each working together to raise their daughter. Not talking romance or new romances, or one over the other.
Choosing responsible adults, mothers and people doing the very best for THEIR daughter.
I believe we'll see them take a big step in getting there by letting go of the hurt and animosity. That's a successful and for me, expected output from this particular story arc.
They do not have to be there by end of season, just a significant step showing they're going there.
It's the wrap up Shonda mentioned two seasons ago - co-parenting. It's figuring out they can be friends - whether another romantic interest comes into the picture or not. It's the open relationship vs. politically correct one, the uncomfortable one where they suppress conversations around the other as seen earlier in the season and even last season.
It's the together without qualification or past history or because they have to. It's the want to do the very best for their daughter. It's the true letting go. It's genuine friendship, empathy, understanding, listening and caring. Not putting self before other kind of thing.
From all I've heard and the few spoilers I've read, this is where I think the story arc is going (believing both characters are back in 13).
That's what I mean by you and I seeing things differently and directions it's going. You've shared before what the possible outcomes could be. My vision is different and it's no big deal.
Season's end will tell us what we're left with and what might happen moving forward. :)
But weren't they basically already there? Co-Parenting they were, working together they were, Callie had moved on...Arizona...sort of? Still a little bit of awkwardness at the beginning but I mean Arizona walked in on them about to have sex and it was laughed off and they talked nicely, Callie talked to Arizona about Penny and Arizona gave her sound advice.
Isn't that as amicable as they should be?
Why go through all this to get to where they already were?
I get what you're saying...but in the end someone still has to win right? Or if not, if it's shared custody someone is going to have to let go of something..Either Callie lets go of Penny and doens't resent Arizona or Arizona gives up and Callie stays because she wants to and it's the right thing but the end result is what you're predicting but they've already been there...so I'm confused as to why go through all this to get to where they already are?
For me the end result has to be from my POV either a reconciliation or on their way to it or they hate each other and that's just kind of ridiculous if they are both staying
No, they've never been there since the 'divorce'. We saw pass-offs. Sofia's book, Sofia sleep-over. No discussion of Sofia. No discussions even close to a friends level. Always keeping things separate and apart. No common 'friend' activities. No common 'Sofia' activities.
No comfort in seeing the other with someone else -- Arizona getting drunk, Callie not wanting to put Penny is a potentially embarrassing situation.
These two were not comfortable being in the presence of the other outside of a kid hand-off. They didn't see each other outside of a hand-off.
Arizona has let Callie go from a romantic perspective. Callie has let Arizona go from a romantic perspective. Neither has let the other in on a friend perspective. Arizona used Callie as a sounding board for the April thing -- but then she used most anyone she saw that day as a sounding board seeking someone, anyone who would say it was okay. Callie did her usual word vomit with Penny leaving. Arizona the problem solver offered some advice. Had Arizona not been there dollars to donuts Callie would've shared with someone else. It was a 'passing by' kind of thing. Arizona told Callie what she wanted to hear, so she didn't need to go to anyone else..
Sara and Jessica spoke of a close intimate, non-romantic relationship. Genuine friends. Thinking along the line of Grey's 'person' relationship. We all know friendships trump relationships.
Comfortable in each others presence as each one is with Alex or April or Meredith or whomever.
It's getting rid of the facade and correctness and going through motions and actually showing up for the other.
Least that's how I interpreted their comments from those interviews. A new and better relationship.
They're not back-tracking. They're moving forward as their new selves with no band-aids. Acceptance.
Yes, the judge will most likely make a decree if the promo is correct. But that's not what the final custody agreement will be or where it ends. They will by the end of 24 have worked out a co-parenting decision on their own. It matters not what name the judge puts forth, it matters what happens in 23 and 24 that makes the ultimate decision.
Extraordinarily long way of saying the co-parent/ friendship thing moving forward, should that be where they're going will be built on solid foundation, not what one thinks the other wants or needs, and not from a self want / need perspective. You know, new and better foundation.
"Choosing responsible adults, mothers and people doing the very best for THEIR daughter.
I believe we'll see them take a big step in getting there by letting go of the hurt and animosity.
It's figuring out they can be friends - whether another romantic interest comes into the picture or not. It's the open relationship vs. politically correct one, the uncomfortable one where they suppress conversations around the other as seen earlier in the season and even last season.
It's the together without qualification or past history or because they have to. It's the want to do the very best for their daughter. It's the true letting go. It's genuine friendship, empathy, understanding, listening and caring. Not putting self before other kind of thing."
This!!! Letting go and understanding how to coincide successfully to raise Sofia as a family. Spending birthdays and Christmas with Sofia without pause. I still think the custody battle was unnessecary to get there, but statements I guess. I'm still hoping somehow they retain joint custody.
Jennie had the Mom that said 'this is not what we do', and was the patient in the Arizona / April make up program.
For me, Arizona stepping down as April's doctor showed great character growth - personal and professional. Herman told her you can't objectively treat your friends. I put that in the plus column.
As for April testifying - we don't know yet what will happen. Kevin McKidd suggested we'll see different characters on the stand. April could still come through. Arizona didn't ask April. April wasn't supponeaed, does April know what's happening? I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater - yet.
That said -- if you were to balance Arizona breaking April's confidence and going to Jackson with April reaming out Arizona out of pure gut level fear - does one outweigh the other? It doesn't in my mind -- as both were coming from deep emotional spaces.
The actor playing Arizona's lawyer suggests she gives as good as she gets, so fairly confident the ear boxing will go both ways. Knowing Arizona describes herself as someone who was taught to 'fight dirty' Callie will definitely get sucker punched a time or two.
Else - you can't call it Kramer vs. Kramer, friends picking sides and testifying and the 'lawyers' getting all up in everyone's face.
I think the anger will swing both ways after different scenes play out as they tilt the scales right and left. Animosity. Anger. Hurt. High emotions -- and I'm speaking of the fans not the program! Ha!
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April needs to get her shit together because out of everyone on the show Arizona is one of the most loyal.
Arizona shouldn't have to ask April, Arizona is supposed to be her friend and she is about to lose her daughter, she should be stepping up and fighting with her just like Arizona would have done for her if it came to that with April/Jackson.
Callie has Owen, Bailey and Meredith, the most 3 influential people on the show. And Arizona has who? DeLuca? He's nobody and Webber who I'm sorry is washed up and useless and isn't anybody in the hospital anymore.
If Blood is taken from Arizona then I expect it from the same to Callie but this was all rather predictable from the start Callie will get the good end of the stick and Arizona will do something stupid like giving up like she basically did here or she'll just plain lose.
I wonder if that was the scene we were supposed to be really cut up over or if there is another one?
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We know Arizona has Webber. We don't know if Bailey will testify or who she will testify for do we? In the clip isn't she sitting with Webber? Then in the promo with Meredith. Heck, she could just be there to share professional stability for both.
Again I ask -- what does April know? Has there been anything anywhere to say she's aware of the custody battle? Why does she have to stand up if Alex doesn't? Guess I"m not willing to hang her out to dry until we see how everything plays out.
I can't and won't hang April for her interaction with Arizona until something warrants same. I need to see how everything plays out. Mostly because Arizona does count April as her friend and wants to keep that friendship. Until Arizona wants to let go, I'm not letting go.
As for the rest -- we've been told from three or four different sources it is each giving as good as they get. We've seen two clips, that's all. Callie isn't getting off Scot free, and if Kevin isn't trolling, her relationship with Penny is going to be affected as well. Doesn't sound like she's getting a pass at this juncture.
As for who wins the custody battle -- that doesn't really matter only because whatever decision is made will be over turn by the finale - if McKidd is to be believed.
Long way of saying, this program and the next two will level some hard hit truths - from all the characters, with the aftermath resetting some things as far as co-workers and friendships, and co-parenting. That I do believe because Shonda won't send a message that denigrates an adoptive parent vs. a biological one.
Ever think that maybe, just maybe this arc may get Arizona out of the Callie circle and into the bigger mix -- on her own? The potential is certainly there...
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I've always loved their friendship but from my perspective April needs to get her shit together.
So because Alex won't you think April shouldn't? Yet it's cool that Meredith, Owen and Bailey the 3 most influential characters stand for Callie? Who does that leave for Arizona and what does that mean for her when this is all over?
I disagree, it does matter who wins. If Callie win's then it say's that Arizona doesn't count...It say's Biology trumps everything else. It too Arizona reinforces what Mark said to her, that she's nothing, what Callie has said countless times that Arizona isnt' Sofia's mother, Callie has said something very similar at least 3 times that I can recall.
If Arizona win's it say's that she IS Sofia's mother no matter what, It shows Callie that too, it also shows Callie that Sofia does matter to Arizona.
Callie winning is just another way to beat down Arizona.
Ever think that maybe, just maybe this arc may get Arizona out of the Callie circle and into the bigger mix -- on her own? ....Bigger mix of who? the people who have stood against her in this? I certainly hope not, she's never been one of the 'cool' kids and I hope she doesn't start now, she doesn't need people like that in her life....If this was Meredith, EVERYONE would be standing up for her. But because it's Arizona, no-one gives a flying toss
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I'm not seeing things the way you are and that's cool. I simply can't get to the same place you are right now and don't see the story the same way you do.
I need to get the whole program and MORE importantly, all the programs till the end of the season.
Then I'll know what's canon, what's speculation, what happens, and what changes.
I'll gladly jump in on cliff-hanger speculation and where everybody was left and all that.
Till then, I'll read everyone's thoughts and opinions with interest, listen to the programs a few time and then sort it all out.
Until then - thanks for the conversations.
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And I don't dislike April, in fact I've loved her up until the last episode.
Many possibilities, so many way's this can go but only one or two way's I see it playing out.
At this stage I'm just looking forward to the hiatus to get a break from the all the drama.
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I choose Callie. I Choose Arizona. I choose each working together to raise their daughter. Not talking romance or new romances, or one over the other.
Choosing responsible adults, mothers and people doing the very best for THEIR daughter.
I believe we'll see them take a big step in getting there by letting go of the hurt and animosity. That's a successful and for me, expected output from this particular story arc.
They do not have to be there by end of season, just a significant step showing they're going there.
It's the wrap up Shonda mentioned two seasons ago - co-parenting. It's figuring out they can be friends - whether another romantic interest comes into the picture or not. It's the open relationship vs. politically correct one, the uncomfortable one where they suppress conversations around the other as seen earlier in the season and even last season.
It's the together without qualification or past history or because they have to. It's the want to do the very best for their daughter. It's the true letting go. It's genuine friendship, empathy, understanding, listening and caring. Not putting self before other kind of thing.
From all I've heard and the few spoilers I've read, this is where I think the story arc is going (believing both characters are back in 13).
That's what I mean by you and I seeing things differently and directions it's going. You've shared before what the possible outcomes could be. My vision is different and it's no big deal.
Season's end will tell us what we're left with and what might happen moving forward. :)
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Isn't that as amicable as they should be?
Why go through all this to get to where they already were?
I get what you're saying...but in the end someone still has to win right? Or if not, if it's shared custody someone is going to have to let go of something..Either Callie lets go of Penny and doens't resent Arizona or Arizona gives up and Callie stays because she wants to and it's the right thing but the end result is what you're predicting but they've already been there...so I'm confused as to why go through all this to get to where they already are?
For me the end result has to be from my POV either a reconciliation or on their way to it or they hate each other and that's just kind of ridiculous if they are both staying
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No comfort in seeing the other with someone else -- Arizona getting drunk, Callie not wanting to put Penny is a potentially embarrassing situation.
These two were not comfortable being in the presence of the other outside of a kid hand-off. They didn't see each other outside of a hand-off.
Arizona has let Callie go from a romantic perspective. Callie has let Arizona go from a romantic perspective. Neither has let the other in on a friend perspective. Arizona used Callie as a sounding board for the April thing -- but then she used most anyone she saw that day as a sounding board seeking someone, anyone who would say it was okay. Callie did her usual word vomit with Penny leaving. Arizona the problem solver offered some advice. Had Arizona not been there dollars to donuts Callie would've shared with someone else. It was a 'passing by' kind of thing. Arizona told Callie what she wanted to hear, so she didn't need to go to anyone else..
Sara and Jessica spoke of a close intimate, non-romantic relationship. Genuine friends. Thinking along the line of Grey's 'person' relationship. We all know friendships trump relationships.
Comfortable in each others presence as each one is with Alex or April or Meredith or whomever.
It's getting rid of the facade and correctness and going through motions and actually showing up for the other.
Least that's how I interpreted their comments from those interviews. A new and better relationship.
They're not back-tracking. They're moving forward as their new selves with no band-aids. Acceptance.
Yes, the judge will most likely make a decree if the promo is correct. But that's not what the final custody agreement will be or where it ends. They will by the end of 24 have worked out a co-parenting decision on their own. It matters not what name the judge puts forth, it matters what happens in 23 and 24 that makes the ultimate decision.
Extraordinarily long way of saying the co-parent/ friendship thing moving forward, should that be where they're going will be built on solid foundation, not what one thinks the other wants or needs, and not from a self want / need perspective. You know, new and better foundation.
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I believe we'll see them take a big step in getting there by letting go of the hurt and animosity.
It's figuring out they can be friends - whether another romantic interest comes into the picture or not. It's the open relationship vs. politically correct one, the uncomfortable one where they suppress conversations around the other as seen earlier in the season and even last season.
It's the together without qualification or past history or because they have to. It's the want to do the very best for their daughter. It's the true letting go. It's genuine friendship, empathy, understanding, listening and caring. Not putting self before other kind of thing."
This!!! Letting go and understanding how to coincide successfully to raise Sofia as a family. Spending birthdays and Christmas with Sofia without pause. I still think the custody battle was unnessecary to get there, but statements I guess. I'm still hoping somehow they retain joint custody.
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