The land is "every inch of Palestine." And that would be Palestine as it looked at the time of the British Mandate. Liberation of the land entails bringing the land under Islamic rule, as Hamas understands it (ibid).
Since a common slogan of both Fatah and Hamas is "Jews into the Sea," I think we may logically infer that both organizations want all of Palestine, and would also kill as many Jews as they could in the process. Since both organizations also strike at non-Israeli Jewish communities, we may also infer that they would keep on killing Jews even after they destroyed Israel -- though admittedly they might be less focused on that objective after they killed most or all of the Jews in the Mideast.
Still, the attacks on foreign Jews would eventually force other countries to make war on the new country of Palestine, so even the destruction of Israel would not bring peace to Palestine.
What about the two state solution? Article 13 of the charter should be read in its entirety to understand why this will not work so long as Hamas holds poltical power, but here is a brief quote."There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are a waste of time and a farce."
The reason the two-state solution won't work is that the Palestinian state would immediately attack Israel, Israel would defeat and destroy the Palestinian state, and we would be right back to square one, only with a lot more dead.
Honestly, I don't think that Fatah can live at peace with Israel, or the rest of the world (please remember what Fatah did in Jordan and Lebanon) either. Though they have more chance of doing so than does Hamas.
... the Egyptians ultimately preferring the political oppression of a military government to the religious oppression of rule by the Muslim Brotherhood.
A moment's thought reveals why. The Egyptian military dictatorships are authoritarian -- they control politics, but they mostly leave people alone to live their private lives. The Muslim Brotherhood is totalitarian: it demands compliance with their interpretation of shari'a, including in their private lives. And of course, it wants to control politics as well.
What is more (though I don't know if this is a factor) the Muslim Brotherhood is committed to aggression against every other nation on Earth which does not share their goals, including Israel -- which would translate into practice into constant and probably disastrous warfare. In an all-out war with Israel, Egypt would suffer horrible devastation; among other things, the Israelis could drop the Aswan Dam and devastate a huge corridor along the Nile Valley; the death wave would destroy everything well north of Cairo before spreading out to relative harmlessness, because the geography of the valley would channel it.
I wonder, are there more Jews than Christians in the mideast at this point? My suspicion may be that there are, because the Islamic groups have been killing Christian Arabs as they come across them. We hear less about it because the Christian Arabs do not have their own country. Really, I think Israel's non-Muslimness is at least as important in their eyes as its Jewishness. I think that the violence against non-Israeli Jews is to persuade Diaspora Jewish communities to abandon their support of Israel. And certainly, useful idiots like Gid'on Levi are of great help to them in this regard.
10% of Egypt's 87 million citizens are Christians. To the 8.7 million Egyptian Christians add another 1 - 3 million Christians in the fertile crescent countries. Nearly all of the mideast's Jews are in Israel where they number around 6.5 million. So for the time being Christians still outnumber Jews in the mideast.
Since a common slogan of both Fatah and Hamas is "Jews into the Sea," I think we may logically infer that both organizations want all of Palestine, and would also kill as many Jews as they could in the process. Since both organizations also strike at non-Israeli Jewish communities, we may also infer that they would keep on killing Jews even after they destroyed Israel -- though admittedly they might be less focused on that objective after they killed most or all of the Jews in the Mideast.
Still, the attacks on foreign Jews would eventually force other countries to make war on the new country of Palestine, so even the destruction of Israel would not bring peace to Palestine.
What about the two state solution? Article 13 of the charter should be read in its entirety to understand why this will not work so long as Hamas holds poltical power, but here is a brief quote."There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are a waste of time and a farce."
The reason the two-state solution won't work is that the Palestinian state would immediately attack Israel, Israel would defeat and destroy the Palestinian state, and we would be right back to square one, only with a lot more dead.
Honestly, I don't think that Fatah can live at peace with Israel, or the rest of the world (please remember what Fatah did in Jordan and Lebanon) either. Though they have more chance of doing so than does Hamas.
... the Egyptians ultimately preferring the political oppression of a military government to the religious oppression of rule by the Muslim Brotherhood.
A moment's thought reveals why. The Egyptian military dictatorships are authoritarian -- they control politics, but they mostly leave people alone to live their private lives. The Muslim Brotherhood is totalitarian: it demands compliance with their interpretation of shari'a, including in their private lives. And of course, it wants to control politics as well.
What is more (though I don't know if this is a factor) the Muslim Brotherhood is committed to aggression against every other nation on Earth which does not share their goals, including Israel -- which would translate into practice into constant and probably disastrous warfare. In an all-out war with Israel, Egypt would suffer horrible devastation; among other things, the Israelis could drop the Aswan Dam and devastate a huge corridor along the Nile Valley; the death wave would destroy everything well north of Cairo before spreading out to relative harmlessness, because the geography of the valley would channel it.
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