Book Seven Predictions

Apr 11, 2007 19:17



antosha_c  participated in a "Book Seven Predictions" Meme today, and I couldn't resist trying my hand.  bandcandy  has done something similar in the past, but I was able to maintain self-control in her case.  Now I've lost it, and I have to give in.  I'm listing AC's predictions below in italics and replying to them; then I'll add my own.

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madderbrad April 12 2007, 03:57:49 UTC
(2) alchemically

Oooh! Oooh! Are you aware of the big push in the H/Hr camp that alchemy figures very strongly in the series ...

... and is proof that Harry will end up with Hermione???

The latest is all here, unless you're locked out of it.

Ron already told her he loves her.

What, that facetious bit of rubbish in the common room towards the end of HBP?

It will be necessary for Ginny & Harry's love to contribute to the end of Voldemort

*blaaarggh*
*bleh*
*vomit*

Are you serious?

Gawd, the 'romance' between them in HBP was such a badly written farce ... the seventh book is going to be completely unbelievable if H/G 'love' is supposed to underpin the demise of Voldemort!!

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rhetoretician April 12 2007, 04:08:26 UTC
Are you aware of the big push in the H/Hr camp that alchemy figures very strongly in the series...

No, but I'm interested. I'll take a look (although alchemy isn't my field -- I'd just heard about the black-white-red thing and thought, "wow").

I already told you I wasn't rooting for any of the ships before HBP and I experienced no glee at how things fell out. But I think JKR has had her say on the subject. In the meanwhile, no seventeen-year-old boy ever said "I love you" to a girl he knew well, facetious or not, without some big feeling behind it; that goes double for someone normally as emotion-avoidant as Ron.

And as for the H/G love -- we already know LV is wiped out by "love" of some kind. Could be lots of kinds. Don't know. But the only real plot justification for splitting H & G up at the end of HBP is to give them a moment to come back together that turns out to be important for some reason. So it's not too far-fetched...

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tunxeh April 12 2007, 04:10:44 UTC
madderbrad April 12 2007, 06:02:37 UTC
I think the Ron/love things goes both ways ... someone as emotionally retarded wouldn't appreciate the word for what it really means. JKR is so proud of her 'anvil-sized' hints, I think this was an 'anvil sized' bit of humour, look no further, grant Ron no more than his teaspoon-sized emotional range.

Hmmm. What you say about the H/G breakup etc is certainly plausible, so I have to agree, yes, it could end that way. But Harry could just as easily never link up again with Ginny, find someone else, etc. But I appreciate your point, that it's not 'far fetched', fair enough. In fact, given the dissatisfaction many of us had with their 'romance' in HBP, perhaps a second attempt at H/G by JKR would prove to be much more impressive. Couldn't be worse :-)

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mickawber April 13 2007, 13:47:43 UTC
:poke:

Play nice, Brad.

;-)

Some of us liked the romance subplot-such as it was-in HBP, and felt that the characterization followed from the earlier books.

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madderbrad April 14 2007, 00:50:35 UTC
Ouch! Whazzat?!

Don't mind me, I've just been grumpy the last few days ... honestly, I thought there was a (good?) chance that H/Hr might eventuate in the 7th book, with all the evidence that was massing up. For some reason I thought that JKR had never quite articulated, in explicit, direct terms, that "Ronnie and Hermione will get together", etcetera, in that accursed, unprofessional "Interview o' Doom" she held right after HBP was released.

I don't know why I had that impression - which has allowed my hopes to build up over the past year, in the belief that she might have a big twist in the wings - because I went back to re-read it earlier this week and she does come right out and say it, damn it/her.

I'm suffering from a relapse of the grave disappointment I received when HBP came out, hence the grouchiness.

Some of us liked the romance subplot-such as it was-in HBP, and felt that the characterization followed from the earlier books.'such as it was ( ... )

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rhetoretician April 14 2007, 01:45:22 UTC
Well, actually that was me, not Antosha, who said that about the story being written from Harry's perspective etc. But what I also said (this was back when you & I were hashing this out with Matthew a few months ago) was that JKR was deliberately hiding the ball. She wanted H & G to find one another after having other relationships first, so they couldn't appear to be one anothers' "one and only" at the beginning. It had to sneak up on us for the narrative to work.

But as to your second question -- why does Ginny love Harry -- I don't know that I could answer that properly for any relationship. I couldn't tell you why I couldn't get my best friend's little sister out of my head, no matter how I tried, back when I was seventeen. And twenty years later, after being married (not to the friend's sister :)) for ten years, why did I wake up one morning and realize that there was simply no other woman for me? Why is the first thing that really gets Harry's attention Ginny's smell? These sorts of primitive things, the things that make ( ... )

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madderbrad April 14 2007, 03:36:22 UTC
:sigh:

Maybe I'm just exposing the lack of romance in my own life when I simply can't grok what was shown us in HBP. Or when I'm somewhat disgusted by it.

And then when you add in my preference/bias for Hermione, it all adds up to my current level of grouchiness.

:-(

But the reason I never felt that H/Hr was a serious possbility was because R/Hr was telegraphed very clearly in GoF, and even hinted at earlier.I'm with you a million percent for Ron being (childishly) attracted to Hermione ... telegraphed with the 'anvil sized hints' that JKR was so smugly pleased about ... but there was very little to suggest that it went both ways. "You should have asked me first", possibly, after the ball, but that could have equally been read as simple frustration ( ... )

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madderbrad April 18 2007, 01:40:25 UTC
I posted your comment about 'tempermental opposites' (but didn't disclose your LJ identity) under a relevant entry on the harryhermione community - URL is here.

In case the entry is protected against infidel unbelievers you, I'll post the most interesting bit of text here, posted by lj user hhr_fan_always:

The 'opposites' that a chemical wedding refer to is opposing elements, not 'opposites attract' like in romantic comedy or something ( ... )

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