I like dark and nitty gritty as well, I just want some variety. Unfortunately, TV has become all about copy-cat-ism. One particular theme hits and then everyone is doing it, for years if possible. Oversaturating the market so badly that the particular theme will be nowhere in sight once the trend has died down.
Like atm, it`s comic book palooza. I love those but the oversaturation is not even funny. Once it reaches critical mass, you can bet we won`t get comic book show or movies for years.
I do believe people would watch shows that are swashbuckling fun. Especially Sci-fi. If they just got the chance to even sample such a show.
Which scifi show from the last decades would you say are truly light-hearted fun and adventure, though? ST:TOS, I suppose, and maybe ST:TNG? Voyager and DS9 were already darker in concept... Firefly and Farscape were pretty darn dark, really. Stargate? I can't really think of (m)any at all.
I`d categorize all the Star Trek shows, minus Deep Space Nine, as such. Voyager wasn`t half as dark as it could have been. Oh, and Enterprise ran the gammut. It had unbelievably goofy episodes that would have been at home in TOS.
Also both Stargate and Stargate Atlantis. They occassionally had some dark themes but only Universe sucked the fun right out of it.
Farscape was just crazy but it could also be lighthearted but I`d classify it as maybe a hybrid. :) Firefly was darker despite Whedon-isms.
Babylon 5 was a true space opera, in general I would say it got progressively darker but I wouldn`t say no to a space opera as well.
New Battlestar? No question, dark. Space: Above and Beyond? Also dark but had cool dogfights in space.
It`s just, I`m not quite getting the Sci Fi oomph I want out of either Dark Matter or Killjoys so far.
I hear you on the copycat-ism. It'd be nicer if we got fewer shows to certain themes, but had those shows be more original in their treatment.
OMG, the glut of comic book series. *headdesk* (Stopped watching Arrow after S1. Stopped watching Flash after ep 1 because I felt there was not a single original thought in there, but a LOT of annoying clishees. Stuck halfway through Agent Carter, which seems like it might be more interesting for people who are emotionally invested in Captain America and Iron Man. Only just watched ep 1 of Daredevil, which mostly bored me, tbh. Didn't even get through 1 ep of Powers. I actually liked Gotham best, but yeah, stuck in there, too.)
I have no doubt people would watch swashbuckling shows... I do like the more clear-eyed view of human nature and the problems of various themes that is en vogue at the present, though. Anything less would seem naive at this point, IMO, and just lead to me considering the characters stupid and hypocritical. (Which was actually a *huge* problem for me in SGA, perhaps because they tried to take the more clear-cut "these are the heroes, and so they are right" approach? Not sure...)
There would be many ways to combine swashbuckling scifi fun with that more realistic and multi-faceted view, though.
It`s just, I`m not quite getting the Sci Fi oomph I want out of either Dark Matter or Killjoys so far.
I think I know what you mean; the same plot would work as well with a setting without spaceships and all that. There's no real feel of the vastness of the universe and all of the mysteries, worlds and beings out there to encounter. These narrative worlds are both rather claustrophobic and finite.
With Marvel commandeering the big screens for years to come, DC playing catch-up, it just feels too much that the small screen is taken over as well. And I like both Arrow and Flash got much better in the second half of te Season. Gotham was the only one I couldn`t really connect to, other than maybe the psychotic teenage love of baby!Batman and baby!Catwoman.
I do like the more clear-eyed view of human nature and the problems of various themes that is en vogue at the present, though.
There is just so few shows/writers that can pull it off, though. The only show that successfully managed this year was IMO tiny 100 on the CW. I was impressed how it grew into its own. After finding the Pilot and first few eps of Season 1 pretty dreadful. It even has a little bit of Sci-fi vibe.
I think I know what you mean; the same plot would work as well with a setting without spaceships and all that. There's no real feel of the vastness of the universe and all of the mysteries, worlds and beings out there to encounter. These narrative worlds are both rather claustrophobic and finite.
Yes, exactly. There are other shows that are genre in terms of "these things don`t happen in the real world" but I want true full blown space adventure.
Like atm, it`s comic book palooza. I love those but the oversaturation is not even funny. Once it reaches critical mass, you can bet we won`t get comic book show or movies for years.
I do believe people would watch shows that are swashbuckling fun. Especially Sci-fi. If they just got the chance to even sample such a show.
Which scifi show from the last decades would you say are truly light-hearted fun and adventure, though? ST:TOS, I suppose, and maybe ST:TNG? Voyager and DS9 were already darker in concept... Firefly and Farscape were pretty darn dark, really. Stargate? I can't really think of (m)any at all.
I`d categorize all the Star Trek shows, minus Deep Space Nine, as such. Voyager wasn`t half as dark as it could have been. Oh, and Enterprise ran the gammut. It had unbelievably goofy episodes that would have been at home in TOS.
Also both Stargate and Stargate Atlantis. They occassionally had some dark themes but only Universe sucked the fun right out of it.
Farscape was just crazy but it could also be lighthearted but I`d classify it as maybe a hybrid. :) Firefly was darker despite Whedon-isms.
Babylon 5 was a true space opera, in general I would say it got progressively darker but I wouldn`t say no to a space opera as well.
New Battlestar? No question, dark. Space: Above and Beyond? Also dark but had cool dogfights in space.
It`s just, I`m not quite getting the Sci Fi oomph I want out of either Dark Matter or Killjoys so far.
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OMG, the glut of comic book series. *headdesk* (Stopped watching Arrow after S1. Stopped watching Flash after ep 1 because I felt there was not a single original thought in there, but a LOT of annoying clishees. Stuck halfway through Agent Carter, which seems like it might be more interesting for people who are emotionally invested in Captain America and Iron Man. Only just watched ep 1 of Daredevil, which mostly bored me, tbh. Didn't even get through 1 ep of Powers. I actually liked Gotham best, but yeah, stuck in there, too.)
I have no doubt people would watch swashbuckling shows... I do like the more clear-eyed view of human nature and the problems of various themes that is en vogue at the present, though. Anything less would seem naive at this point, IMO, and just lead to me considering the characters stupid and hypocritical. (Which was actually a *huge* problem for me in SGA, perhaps because they tried to take the more clear-cut "these are the heroes, and so they are right" approach? Not sure...)
There would be many ways to combine swashbuckling scifi fun with that more realistic and multi-faceted view, though.
It`s just, I`m not quite getting the Sci Fi oomph I want out of either Dark Matter or Killjoys so far.
I think I know what you mean; the same plot would work as well with a setting without spaceships and all that. There's no real feel of the vastness of the universe and all of the mysteries, worlds and beings out there to encounter. These narrative worlds are both rather claustrophobic and finite.
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With Marvel commandeering the big screens for years to come, DC playing catch-up, it just feels too much that the small screen is taken over as well. And I like both Arrow and Flash got much better in the second half of te Season. Gotham was the only one I couldn`t really connect to, other than maybe the psychotic teenage love of baby!Batman and baby!Catwoman.
I do like the more clear-eyed view of human nature and the problems of various themes that is en vogue at the present, though.
There is just so few shows/writers that can pull it off, though. The only show that successfully managed this year was IMO tiny 100 on the CW. I was impressed how it grew into its own. After finding the Pilot and first few eps of Season 1 pretty dreadful. It even has a little bit of Sci-fi vibe.
I think I know what you mean; the same plot would work as well with a setting without spaceships and all that. There's no real feel of the vastness of the universe and all of the mysteries, worlds and beings out there to encounter. These narrative worlds are both rather claustrophobic and finite.
Yes, exactly. There are other shows that are genre in terms of "these things don`t happen in the real world" but I want true full blown space adventure.
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