On Tookie

Dec 13, 2005 15:13

I don't know about "probably innocent." It does seem in question, but he was convicted, and, in 26 years, there hasn't been compelling evidence to overturn the ruling ( Read more... )

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anonymous December 16 2005, 15:34:38 UTC
How hard is it to understand Ahnold's point?

In plain English: Tookie's "change of heart" was probably just to look good for the parole board and his supporters. If he didn't show any real remorse for the subsequent actions of the mebers of the gang he founded, his change of heart was deemed fake. Got it? Okay.

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rgallitan December 16 2005, 19:07:47 UTC
You are decieved by the simplicity of the argument. If you look closer, you will find that it is too simple - in fact it is utterly hollow. Remember, whether Tookie has shown remorse is the very thing in question. Schwarzenegger then uses the assertion that he has not shown remorse to establish that he has not shown remorse. That's circular reasoning. Fallacy of Pleading the Question. The fact that he uses the phrase "change of heart" in one half of the argument, and "remorse" in the other just disguises the fallacy in semantics, but the two phrases mean the same thing. And while we're at it, the way he speaks of showing "real" remorse - whatever that may entail - slaps him with a No True Scotsman fallacy to boot.

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lunameow December 17 2005, 05:31:30 UTC
I think it's less a question of whether he'd shown remorse so much as whether he felt it. I can SHOW remorse about a lot of things. I can appear to be remorseful for slamming the door in my neighbor's face when she woke me up in the middle of the night to beg for money. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do it again in a heartbeat, and definitely doesn't mean I actually felt bad about it. Same situation in reverse... she "sincerely" apologizes every time she bangs on my door in the middle of the night to beg for two dollars. But the fact that I can even say "every time" tells you that she obviously doesn't FEEL remorse, or she wouldn't keep doing it ( ... )

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rgallitan December 17 2005, 09:49:13 UTC
--I think it's less a question of whether he'd shown remorse so much as whether he felt it ( ... )

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lunameow December 17 2005, 10:21:12 UTC
Whether you see the race card or not depends on where you're at and who you're around. On the buses and train into work, and at my actual workplace, all I heard was "it's because he's black"... my response of "or it might be because he murdered four people and founded the Crips" wasn't very welcome. :P

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