Re: ExperiencenontacitareMarch 7 2008, 19:52:13 UTC
Obama has more elected government experience than Hillary Clinton has. That's why he's a much better campaigner. ;-)
But for me, it's not just elected government experience. It's experience with the government, preferably at the state and federal level.
What I know of Obama (from his website - feel free to flesh this out): -community activist in Chicago -civil rights attorney -Illinois State Senator -US Senator
Clinton's experience:
- One of two female lawyers on staff of House Judiciary Committee who prepared impeachment case against Richard Nixon - Ran legal aid clinic for the poor in Arkansas - Appointed by President Carter to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor - Led the American Bar Association's Comission on Women in the Profession, raising awareness of issues like sexual harrasment and equal pay -First Lady of the United States of America As with all First Ladies, this meant that Clinton was an advisor to the President, served as a diplomat abroad and with visiting foreign dignitaries, and had a bird's eye view of the inner workings of the job of President - Chair for the presidential committee on Universal Health Coverage - US Senator
Experience certainly isn't the only reason to vote for someone, but when people talk about Clinton's experience, this is what they mean.
One other item from Obama's resume that often gets mentioned is that he was editor of the Harvard Law Review.
I think the Universal Health Coverage committee thing is generally more of an embarrassment for Clinton, since it failed so resoundingly. And you didn't mention her Wal-Mart board experience, which also tends to fall into the embarrassing-experience category.
I just came across an interesting article looking at the previous experience vs "greatness" of historical presidents:"Suppose you had to choose between two Presidential candidates, one of whom had spent 20 years in Congress plus had considerable other relevant experience and the other of whom had about half a dozen years in the Illinois state legislature and 2 years in Congress. Which one do you think would make a better President? If you chose #1, congratulations, you picked James Buchanan over Abraham Lincoln."
Re: ExperiencenontacitareMarch 10 2008, 23:17:12 UTC
And you didn't mention her Wal-Mart board experience, which also tends to fall into the embarrassing-experience category. For this I was limiting it to government or legal experience, but I did include Wal-Mart in my post on her experience. ;-)
First woman on BOD of Wal-Mart after Sam Walton forced to place a woman on the previously all-male board of directors -championed need for more women in management -implemented comprehensive environmental program
Personally, I think it's pretty cool that she took on Wal-Mart by working within the system.
But for me, it's not just elected government experience. It's experience with the government, preferably at the state and federal level.
What I know of Obama (from his website - feel free to flesh this out):
-community activist in Chicago
-civil rights attorney
-Illinois State Senator
-US Senator
Clinton's experience:
- One of two female lawyers on staff of House Judiciary Committee who prepared impeachment case against Richard Nixon
- Ran legal aid clinic for the poor in Arkansas
- Appointed by President Carter to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor
- Led the American Bar Association's Comission on Women in the Profession, raising awareness of issues like sexual harrasment and equal pay
-First Lady of the United States of America
As with all First Ladies, this meant that Clinton was an advisor to the President, served as a diplomat abroad and with visiting foreign dignitaries, and had a bird's eye view of the inner workings of the job of President
- Chair for the presidential committee on Universal Health Coverage
- US Senator
Experience certainly isn't the only reason to vote for someone, but when people talk about Clinton's experience, this is what they mean.
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I think the Universal Health Coverage committee thing is generally more of an embarrassment for Clinton, since it failed so resoundingly. And you didn't mention her Wal-Mart board experience, which also tends to fall into the embarrassing-experience category.
I just came across an interesting article looking at the previous experience vs "greatness" of historical presidents:"Suppose you had to choose between two Presidential candidates, one of whom had spent 20 years in Congress plus had considerable other relevant experience and the other of whom had about half a dozen years in the Illinois state legislature and 2 years in Congress. Which one do you think would make a better President? If you chose #1, congratulations, you picked James Buchanan over Abraham Lincoln."
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For this I was limiting it to government or legal experience, but I did include Wal-Mart in my post on her experience. ;-)
First woman on BOD of Wal-Mart after Sam Walton forced to place a woman on the previously all-male board of directors
-championed need for more women in management
-implemented comprehensive environmental program
Personally, I think it's pretty cool that she took on Wal-Mart by working within the system.
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