In the end, we can still disagree.locazulunaApril 28 2008, 16:04:41 UTC
I know that this is not what a lot of people believe and I agree with you that the mainstream version we see of a god is horrendous. I feel like the institution of religion is a way for the people in power to control the rest of us( if we fall for it) with such lies as the seven deadly sins, etc.
It's humans that had the awesome and terrifying power to build giant machines of war and slaughter each other in the millions, and it's humans that had the power to rebuild an entire continent in the wake of such devastation. We have the power to write our own destinies, and we are too powerful to waste our lives being slaves and underlings. We can accomplish the most wonderful and the most hideous things, and it's up to us to decide which we give our power to.
I feel like here you have defined free will. It sucks and is fucked up what we have done to each other, but I still believe in God. Why? Because I don't believe in all the coincidences that rule our mega verse, like the architecture of the human body, the fact that plants produce the oxygen we need to live! The problem with God it that there is no tyrannical rule, They have chosen to let us sort it out. They gave us all we have and set us into the wild so to speak. Also if they created this world, this universe (all the good and all the bad) then they have to be beyond good and evil. How can one create something that is beyond it's self? Religion as a human institution is fucked. The church, the bible, the whole thing- pure human. But what about beyond that? I believe that a true "Christian" or better put, a true believer is one who can see all this, and do something about it. To stand up for others, to learn of one self, to create. So- in short, I feel like God has chosen not to save us from ourselves, because in doing so They would have to be tyrants, They would have to stop us from, well, being us. They have given us the power to decide what that means, and that is the real line between heaven and hell.
Re: In the end, we can still disagree.resist_anywhereApril 28 2008, 19:05:35 UTC
Sure, but then what's the point of believing in anything outside humanity? Humans are what we can see, and we're the ones with the power here on Earth. If I was created by somebody else, they should let me know. If they don't, I don't owe them anything.
Re: In the end, we can still disagree.locazulunaApril 28 2008, 20:34:51 UTC
But that is exactly the point.It is a similar argument to what we would owe a parent. We don't owe Them anything, since we didn't ask to be born. But we would have not been born without Them. Chicken vs egg.
I can see prof of Their existence everywhere, for there are to many things that are unexplainable for me not to believe in God.
However you look at it, I feel that we owe everything to ourselves, to live our lives to the fullest extent and stop things like the Jewish Holocaust.
I am not trying to convert you, and I agree with what you are saying, just that I end up with a different conclusion.
It's humans that had the awesome and terrifying power to build giant machines of war and slaughter each other in the millions, and it's humans that had the power to rebuild an entire continent in the wake of such devastation. We have the power to write our own destinies, and we are too powerful to waste our lives being slaves and underlings. We can accomplish the most wonderful and the most hideous things, and it's up to us to decide which we give our power to.
I feel like here you have defined free will. It sucks and is fucked up what we have done to each other, but I still believe in God. Why? Because I don't believe in all the coincidences that rule our mega verse, like the architecture of the human body, the fact that plants produce the oxygen we need to live! The problem with God it that there is no tyrannical rule, They have chosen to let us sort it out. They gave us all we have and set us into the wild so to speak. Also if they created this world, this universe (all the good and all the bad) then they have to be beyond good and evil. How can one create something that is beyond it's self?
Religion as a human institution is fucked. The church, the bible, the whole thing- pure human. But what about beyond that? I believe that a true "Christian" or better put, a true believer is one who can see all this, and do something about it. To stand up for others, to learn of one self, to create.
So- in short, I feel like God has chosen not to save us from ourselves, because in doing so They would have to be tyrants, They would have to stop us from, well, being us. They have given us the power to decide what that means, and that is the real line between heaven and hell.
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I can see prof of Their existence everywhere, for there are to many things that are unexplainable for me not to believe in God.
However you look at it, I feel that we owe everything to ourselves, to live our lives to the fullest extent and stop things like the Jewish Holocaust.
I am not trying to convert you, and I agree with what you are saying, just that I end up with a different conclusion.
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