I don't see why I couldn't qualify in both? For my personal case it would actually be the subfandom "Iron Man (Movies)" and the umbrella fandom "Marvel Cinematic Universe," but I have something like ten qualifying fics using Iron Man characters and another twelve qualifying fics using characters from elsewhere in the MCU.
But three of those non-Iron Man MCU fics use characters from Agents of SHIELD, because it *is* one universe canonically. So if Agents of SHIELD is not included under the MCU umbrella in this exchange, then those are technically crossover stories between "MCU" and the entirely-separate-fandom "Agents of SHIELD," and my count drops down to nine. Which, like I said, doesn't affect me personally because nine is still more than enough, but it might affect other people who are closer to the line.
(I mostly want to know because I'm putting together a table of contents of sorts linking to all my qualifying fic, and I want to know if I should list the Melinda/Natasha and AoS stories on it under "MCU" or if they're ineligible because they're crossovers.)
But now you have me confused. Am I misreading? Can we not request both MCU and one of its subfandoms as separate requests, if we have enough fics in both?
Actual Mod Answer: We... may have forgotten about AoS, Agent Carter, and the Netflix Daredevil when we were getting the signup form ready to go. We're very sorry!
I would not include those in the MCU, just because I feel like it has to be called something else if it's also including television series. (Also, I think there's been some debate about whether or not they are MCU canon from Whedon? But... I was avoiding spoilers, so I didn't really get into it. And now it's almost 1am.)
Basically, please stick with what we've listed on the signup form--the core Avengers and their solo films--when selecting MCU. Though, obviously, it's a little difficult to keep them all perfectly separate.
That being said! Your instinct is correct that you could select both Iron Man and MCU. (Though since you can only select so many in the form, if you need room you could just sign up for MCU and be done.) HOWEVER, unless one of your stories is your safe story, a remix you've written, or a story co-written with someone else, then any story you have is fair game to your remixer. If the person you are matched with takes a shine to your Melinda/Natasha fics, they can still remix them, even if those stories aren't eligible for your count to qualify in the fandom.
Hopefully I actually helped and didn't just make matters even more confusing? (1am! Sleep is for the dead and the well-rested!) But if you have any other questions, just let me know. :)
Heh. Whedon has been throwing around some sour grapes because his vision is being disrespected. Basically, he wanted things to be all about his vision as a creator--the kind of control he got on, say, Buffy or Firefly--and that's just not possible in a universe like the MCU. Add that to a large subset of fans being vocally angry about certain plot points in AoU, and Whedon has flounced off and deleted his twitter.
He's been replaced for all future MCU projects, so he can't speak for anything about the future of the MCU. And everything else, past and present, says the TV shows are explicitly a part of the universe.
TBH, my concern isn't Joss's vision, so much as what's practical for remix to run. I think there are probably a fair number of people who love the films and know very little about the tv shows. And since you can now sign up for all fandoms separately, we'd rather just keep the shows out of MCU, at least for this year. I can make a post clarifying, though, so it's at least not something people are unsure of.
Not in remix, it hasn't. It ran last year with the exact same definition of MCU that's currently on the signup form. Too many people know the movies but don't watch the TV shows. Separating it out means people who don't know it all don't end up with source material they can't work with.
It's a little arbitrary, but remix has always needed a certain amount of that to minimise the number of people who find their matches don't actually match them.
I'm definitely not saying that's the definition in remix; I'm saying it's the definition overall, in canon, and in fandom. I read when I signed up (like 10 minutes after opening) but totally missed that you were excluding AOS, which is where I first ever needed the MCU tag, though I did notice you didn't explicitly exclude X-Men movie stuff from MCU though that is definitely not included per canon definitions.
I'm really glad I got in an extra drabble and signed up for Agents of SHIELD since I did not realize remix diverged from standard in this. It makes sense, but no, it was not obvious at all.
There's never been any question that the X-Men movies weren't part of MCU, so we've never had a reason to explicitly state those were excluded.
As Laura said before, we kept the wording exactly the same as we had it last year. We'd hoped that would avoid confusion, but our hopes are so rarely realized. I'm sorry for the mix up!
But three of those non-Iron Man MCU fics use characters from Agents of SHIELD, because it *is* one universe canonically. So if Agents of SHIELD is not included under the MCU umbrella in this exchange, then those are technically crossover stories between "MCU" and the entirely-separate-fandom "Agents of SHIELD," and my count drops down to nine. Which, like I said, doesn't affect me personally because nine is still more than enough, but it might affect other people who are closer to the line.
(I mostly want to know because I'm putting together a table of contents of sorts linking to all my qualifying fic, and I want to know if I should list the Melinda/Natasha and AoS stories on it under "MCU" or if they're ineligible because they're crossovers.)
But now you have me confused. Am I misreading? Can we not request both MCU and one of its subfandoms as separate requests, if we have enough fics in both?
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I would not include those in the MCU, just because I feel like it has to be called something else if it's also including television series. (Also, I think there's been some debate about whether or not they are MCU canon from Whedon? But... I was avoiding spoilers, so I didn't really get into it. And now it's almost 1am.)
Basically, please stick with what we've listed on the signup form--the core Avengers and their solo films--when selecting MCU. Though, obviously, it's a little difficult to keep them all perfectly separate.
That being said! Your instinct is correct that you could select both Iron Man and MCU. (Though since you can only select so many in the form, if you need room you could just sign up for MCU and be done.) HOWEVER, unless one of your stories is your safe story, a remix you've written, or a story co-written with someone else, then any story you have is fair game to your remixer. If the person you are matched with takes a shine to your Melinda/Natasha fics, they can still remix them, even if those stories aren't eligible for your count to qualify in the fandom.
Hopefully I actually helped and didn't just make matters even more confusing? (1am! Sleep is for the dead and the well-rested!) But if you have any other questions, just let me know. :)
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He's been replaced for all future MCU projects, so he can't speak for anything about the future of the MCU. And everything else, past and present, says the TV shows are explicitly a part of the universe.
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It's a little arbitrary, but remix has always needed a certain amount of that to minimise the number of people who find their matches don't actually match them.
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I'm really glad I got in an extra drabble and signed up for Agents of SHIELD since I did not realize remix diverged from standard in this. It makes sense, but no, it was not obvious at all.
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As Laura said before, we kept the wording exactly the same as we had it last year. We'd hoped that would avoid confusion, but our hopes are so rarely realized. I'm sorry for the mix up!
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