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AUGH I have a stomachache and I think eating a bagel that had sat in the fridge for a month for breakfast was a REALLY BAD IDEA but I still have Who thoughts. AND OMG YOU GUYS I ALSO HAVE THIS. A SONIC SCREWDRIVER FLASHLIGHT TORCH. I can totally justify the purchase, too, because I do need a small flashlight I can easily carry around for when I

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[apiphile]

I'm also very disappointed - when the name of the episode came out I was expecting it to have more relevance to that speech in S1 than it did. Poor show, writers, missed chance.

Donna kicks butt. I realise I may just be suffering from my anti-Rose syndrome somewhat but I'm enjoying each successive companion post-Rose more and more. She can definitely stay, having done exactly what I was hoping someone would do, and kicked him out of his Godlike Comfort Zone a few times. And I love her reaction to being tied up, especially. Not "The Doctor Will Save Me" but "I'm GUNNA F**KIN' 'AVE YOU!". :D I like her. She's got gumption.

Disappearing planets, the Shadow Proclamation, and Hard Choices being the theme of the series, I'm kind of horrified that the End Of Level hard choice is probably going to be something like "which companion do you save? Return Of The Rose!" and if it is I will throw RTD down a flight of stairs.

Agreed on the way the Doctor sees the universe - that makes sense. It also sounds like a description of a particular

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Not "The Doctor Will Save Me" but "I'm GUNNA F**KIN' 'AVE YOU!".

Yes! Now that you point that out, it was awesome. "FUCK YOU! I WILL CUT YOU!" I love that she's forcing the Doctor to see her and treat her as an equal, right from the start. She's not a kid like Rose, or a very young adult still finding herself like Martha - she's an adult woman and demands to be treated as such. And the Doctor needs someone who will get up in his face when necessary. Donna will not accept being dismissed out of hand; if the Doctor's going to shoot her down, he's going to have to explain why.

Heh, the more I think and talk about it, the more I like her.

"which companion do you save? Return Of The Rose!" and if it is I will throw RTD down a flight of stairs.I will help. That makes so much sense it's depressing. But, given all the casting rumors/spoilers, I'm just going to hold out hope for a former companions extravaganza episode. The combined awesome might blow out my computer screen, but that is a risk I am willing to take

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I love that she's forcing the Doctor to see her and treat her as an equal, right from the start.

Yes - and I also like that the first time he asked her to travel, she said no. I like that he's pursued her, and I like that she's a grown-up who really isn't going to take bullshit from him ("Donna. Human. No." / "I don't know who you normally hang around with but you don't just tell me to shut up.").

But, given all the casting rumors/spoilers, I'm just going to hold out hope for a former companions extravaganza episode.

JACK JACK JACK JACK. *cough* I haven't ... checked the casting spoilers. I'm trying to avoid them.

Edited because disappearing THINGS.

Someone else on my flist mentioned this. That's surely going to be another theme. I do wonder if that's kind of bound up with Rose - if things are disappearing into the reality she's trapped in (it'd be nice if that was happening because she was trying to get back to this universe, because then I can indulge my dislike of Ms. Piper to the full)?

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JACK JACK JACK JACK. *cough* I haven't ... checked the casting spoilers. I'm trying to avoid them.

XD I don't really count casting as spoilery, especially since it's the most likely to be covered by publications that don't grasp the concept of "spoiler" and getting neurotic about it is a fruitless endeavor, but I shall avoid saying any more here. Except that I am REALLY EXCITED.

(it'd be nice if that was happening because she was trying to get back to this universe, because then I can indulge my dislike of Ms. Piper to the full)

I would be surprised if it weren't all tied together somehow - maybe shit's going down in her universe too, and the alt!Torchwood has traced it to a connection with the Whoniverse, and Rose is trying to bridge the gap to connect with the Doctor and try to sort it out. I like your theory too, though. *g*

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I think the fact that I've gone from being unbothered by spoilers to being phobic even of casting news is indicative of how invested I've become in the blasted Whoniverse. I swear I wasn't intending to get wrapped up in a fandom with so much continuity and history of wank ...

and the alt!Torchwood

WHERE TOSH IS STILL ALIVE. Ahem.

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WELL OBVIOUSLY THEY ALL ARE because Jack wasn't around to kill them with his crazy brother or hire them in the first place but whatever.

[apiphile]

Wait, there's no Jack in the alternate universe?

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Can't see how there could be. Rose wasn't around to do her heart-of-the-TARDIS thing. So, he probably like, exists, but he's not immortal and likely stayed dead on Satellite Five, if he even got as far as travelling with the Doctor at all without Rose there. Which I'm going to assume he did because the Doctor still had to be there to clean up his nanogene mess and oh my head.

There more I think about this alternate Roseless universe, the more it becomes like Torchwood: just don't think about it too hard.

[apiphile]

Maybe there was no nanogene mess in the alternate universe? Maybe in the alternate universe Jack's still working for the Time Agency and therefore didn't steal the Chula ambulance? Maybe he's still stuck in a timeloop with alterna-John?

There more I think about this alternate Roseless universe, the more it becomes like Torchwood: just don't think about it too hard.

I know ... I think I just gave myself a nosebleed.

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Who knows? It's clear from all the nonsense with the earpods that Rose Tyler not being born isn't the only thing that's different in that universe. With all the things different on twenty-first century Earth, it would be silly to think that things aren't different everywhere else, too. Hell, for all we know, events somehow came together so that Jack DOES run Torchwood Three, and even goes by Jack Harkness. I'm going to stop thinking about this now.

[apiphile]

No don't! Because what if it was JOHN running Torchwood Three in the alternate universe? How cool would that be?

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That would be fantastic! And he would long since have seduced both Ianto and Owen, simultaneously. And Jack would be the crazy ex-boyfriend who shows up and tries to kill them all!

[apiphile]

And because John's not actually immortal it would be genuinely scary, but he'd also still be more into Jack than our-universe-Jack is into John. Oooh. NO NO PLOTBUNNIES.

[remindmeofthe]

Yes. And Jack would be dark and menacing and it would be obvious why John still has the hots for him and is honestly tempted to follow him through the Rift. Even though he knows better. And he has to literally put his hands on Ianto and Owen to remind himself why he's got such a good situation going here.

*feeds the plot bunny* It's nice to see someone else dealing with one for a change. I've been attacked by like three over the last week. It's your turn.

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And Ianto and Owen are kind of maybe tempted too. And Jack blatantly throws himself at them at some point and they really can't resist ... and oooh the idea of Owen and Ianto being someone's harem of snark really really is fantastic.

NO. Jesus! I have the Bad Timing sequel, the Scary AU and ... like, an actualy commission to write. *wrings hands*

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Yes! He gets each of them alone at some point and the "don't let him kiss you" rule goes right out the window. But he foregoes the paralyzing lip gloss because that makes it less fun.

Pfft, I've got like seven things going. Amateur. ;)