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Dec 08, 2005 09:53


College Republicans are cowards. These people sit comfortably in there nice, heated homes and blab how great it is that we are over in Iraq fighting. I'm going to keep this short. These people are too cowardly to go over and fight. The University will still be here when (or if) you come back. So, what are you waiting for? The Military's ( Read more... )

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dknight2066 December 10 2005, 01:16:28 UTC
We had the right idea, originally, going to war to clean saddam's clock. Problem is, like most good ideas, it was taken too far. From my stand, we should have pulled out after decimating their armies from the air. As said earlier here, 99% of them don't want us there, no matter what we are trying to do. I say if that is how they truly feel, screw them! If they want to be dominated, nuked, poisoned with chemical weapons, and have their children conscripted, then the US should stop sending our children to die for people who don't care.

Actually, the last political radio program I heard had the president's approval pole, on the war AND domestic issues, at only 30% of all americans, party aside. I think if you ask any mother, or father, of a soldier in Iraq if they want to see the war continue, I think you'll see that they want it to end as much as you do. We've sacrificed enough people for such a small gain, and STILL no Bin Laden! Seems everyone in power has forgotten that name!

Honestly, I haven't kept up with the news about who's going to jail for what, so I cannot make an educated statement about their guilt/innocence. It is sad though. Here we have a group of corrupt Republicans making the entire party look look bad, again. Watergate anyone?
It goes without saying that we will have a democrat for president for the next 8 years. I don't need prescence to see that. I just hope we don't get another Bill "unzippin my dooodah" Clinton.... Our country's morals are nearly non-existent enough as it is... :-/

Oh well, if at first you don't succeed, so much for sky diving....

An "Old School" Gamer,

DKnight2066

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dknight2066 December 11 2005, 01:28:31 UTC
Clintons mistakes never killed one person....Bush's did

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dknight2066 December 11 2005, 22:48:28 UTC
So, Clinton sending troops into Bosnia doesn't count as a hostile action, yielding US casualties. Clinton selling nuclear missile technology to Communist China isn't a hostile action. Finding a man dead in a park, with a briefcase filled with documents about Hillary Clinton wasn't unusual. Clinton refusing to take a call from the CIA about Osama Bin Laden during his "golf game" wasn't totally ridiculous.

Interesting. A traitor and a fornicator, all in one package. How efficient.

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Are you kidding??? dknight2066 December 13 2005, 14:03:51 UTC
Are you serious...Let me see where to start...Bosnia, do you actually know what happened there??? He made that goverment end its murderous attacks on Muslims in Bosnia with the bombings, and oh yeah he did'nt have to send it 150,000 troops to do it...There has not a been a combat related death there for years....I am not going to comment on the selling nuclear missle technology to China, I did'nt know he was actually convicted of that or if its the right wingers doing what they do best...
All of your other arguments are based on no facts....I can say that Bush deserted his country during a time of war instead of serving, that Bush sat and read My Pet Goat puttings himself and kindergardners at risk, instead of stepping up and acting like a leader...Yeah I could go on and on...but it's all about facts...stuff like economic growth, actually having a budget surplus instead of a defecit under Bush, the fact that during Clinton's term college was much more accessible to people, then under Bush, I could go on....but bring facts not locker room banter

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Re: Are you kidding??? redstar32 December 13 2005, 16:53:14 UTC
Well stated, couldn't agree more!

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Re: Are you kidding??? dknight2066 December 13 2005, 20:31:18 UTC
Brett, sorry man, but i'm jumping on this.

To Whomever Wrote That Last Response: Clearly, your more intrested in finding some facts written in stone somewhere than seeing a person for who and what they really are.

For me, it's down to one thing: Morals.

It is clear to me that you would rather support a fornicating baboon like clinton just so long as you can trade up for a new car and house every 3 years. If you ever have children (may heaven forbid) don't be surprised to see them sleeping with God knows who, or perhaps even, God knows what.

Then again, why AM I bothering to post this?! People like yourself are intrested only in numbers, maps, facts, and money. Even in anger, I pity you for this. You'll die an empty and unfulfilled person, and perhaps there's some poetic justice in that. The worst part of it all is that, in living your life the way you do, you corrupt and take down good people with you.

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To Brett: You once encourated me to stand up and take what I want out of life. To not be afraid to say what I feel and to make the changes required to create a better life for myself. Well, this was one of those changes. Just because i'm Christian doesn't mean that I should just sit down and shut up. It doesn't mean that I don't have feelings that can be hurt. THIS is why I quit the guild!
Once a long time ago, you believed as I do. I still harken back to those times in my memory, and it brings me both joy and sadness. But given the fact that these are the people who are close to you now, it is clear to me that this is a change I cannot erase. I know full well how the rest of your group will take this message, and frankly, I don't care. I'm saying this, TO YOU, because I care. I'm saying it in the open because, thanks in part to your encouragement, i'm not afraid to speak the truth anymore.
Yes, I do care what happens to you.
No, I don't agree with how your living your life.

You cannot be around such people without becoming one of them in the end. I know, because i've given into far too much already. I guess, in the end, I just wanted 1 person on this earth to care as much as I do about the same things as myself. I wanted to go to my grave with one Christian friend by my side, if only to feel like i'm making a difference in some small way.

That's the problem with doing the right thing. You sometimes have to do it alone.

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This will be my final post here. All perverts of the universe, you took one good man from me. One whom, for many years, i've had the honor of calling "Brother". But my soul remains, as do the memories of the great times wew had together. Even with an end like this, I woulden't trade it for the world.

As said in the Garth Brooks song, "The Dance":

"I could have missed the pain, but i'd have had to miss the dance."

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Re: Are you kidding??? redstar32 December 13 2005, 23:16:10 UTC
First and foremost, you and Chad are both cowards for just stating your opinion and running away here. That is so childish of you both to just get the last word in, then leave. You insult me then run away? Are you saying that I do not stand for anything? Ask any close to me that question and you will see that you and chad are all alone. I proudly stand for Truth, Temperance, and Tolerance. I stand up for economic justice and community service. Just because I do not conform to your "christian" morals, doesn't make me or anybody I associate with bad people. Why don't you both stop living your fantasy lives with mommy and daddy go out, get your licenses, get jobs and live on your own. You both are old enough, before you criticize me. How old are you Chad, 22? And to claim that you "have faced far greater evils" than me is really arrogant, how the hell would you know what I have gone through, considering we have seen each other maybe a select few times in the past couple years? I dare you both to continue your unnecessary judgement of me here.

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Re: Are you kidding??? dknight2066 December 14 2005, 00:24:51 UTC
"Are you saying that I do not stand for anything?"

In short: No. I just believe that you could have stood for so much more.
You've always had more courage than me.

"I proudly stand for Truth, Temperance, and Tolerance."

When "Tolerance" becomes the same as accepting and promoting perversity,
then yes, there's no chance for agreement there.

"Ask any close to me that question and you will see that you and chad are
all alone."

When those close to you have no problem with sex before marrage, drinking..etc, as yourself, then yes I guess you are correct when you say daniel and I are alone.

"Why don't you both stop living your fantasy lives with mommy and daddy go out, get your licenses, get jobs and live on your own."

Since you put it perfectly, i'll copy your statement for convenience sake:
How do YOU know what problems and limitations have impeded daniel and I from doing what you suggest?

"how the hell would you know what I have gone through, considering we have seen each other maybe a select few times in the past couple years?"

Aside from reading your journal, and talking on AIM? Not much. You base your opinions and decisions on the information available to you just as much as we do, do you not? So, we basically have a stalemate here. You don't fully understand our lives, just as we don't fully understand yours.

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The bottom line is that my statements were made out of a genuine concern for you. In fact, if I DIDEN'T say what I was feeling, then would I have truly been a good friend? I ask you now: Would you have prefered that I continued on, and not spoken out about my disagreements with your friends and yourself? I told you the truth because I respected you. Respect DEMANDS honesty, and I was determined to give it, no matter the cost.
I'm sorry it ended this way, but i'm not sorry for speaking out. Being a good friend is telling someone when you think they are doing something that may be self-destructive. I saw things in your life that I thought would, over time, do harm to you. I respect your decision if you don't wish to listen.

At any rate, I cannot think of anything else to say that hasn't already been said. Honestly, I don't have the words to describe what i'm feeling at this moment. This is one of those moments where "logic" is drowned by "emotion", where words become meaningless and hollow. The issues between us have become so embedded in our lives and thoughts that it swallows our common ground. Without common ground, where can friendship stand? Before we say anything more, lets end this here while we still can, before we say anything we may live to regret. I don't want to flame anymore than you do.

Perhaps, in the years to come and with the wisdom that brings, we can resume our friendship. Life can never be predicted accurately. But, for now, let us part ways and agree to disagree. Life has a way of separating the "Wheat" from the "Chaff" over time. I just pray that none of us becomes "Chaff"....

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Re: Are you kidding??? redstar32 December 13 2005, 22:25:28 UTC
Yes Chad, I have always encouraged you to seize what is yours in life. I try to do the same, as you can tell by this journal entry. But that is a double edged sword for me, as it would ultimately lead to the dissolution of our once solid friendship and comradery. Chad, I must say that I have lived on my own for about two years now, it can be both very difficult and very rewarding. Morals don't put food on the table. I would do anything to have a nicer car. It makes it difficult when your car doesn't work and you have to walk in 5 degree weather to work. Its during times like that you wish there would be more money for "a new car and house every 3 years." I challenge you to live on your own, then try to live your life the way you want. You won't be able to. Its during times like now that I would take an economy that isn't in defecit. I don't expect you to understand, once you live on your own, you too will be forced to live a life concerned with "numbers, maps, facts, and money".

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Re: Are you kidding??? dknight2066 December 13 2005, 23:47:05 UTC
First Tater, I am sorry that the somewhat friendly debate turned into this....Obviously religion was thrown into a POLITICAL debate, and you know what happens from there...
In my opinion, it sounds like you have some friends who feel you left them for whatever reason and are not a Christian. It also sounds like these guys sit behind their computer preaching about life and moral values and making blanket statements, when they really need to be out living life, and yes you can live life and still be a Christian...You can support Clinton to, I wonder if they forgot that section in the bible that talks about forgiveness and unconditional love of your neighbor? Those earlier statements don't look like someone that is actually practicing whats in the bible....

Brett your bring up a great point, but you have not abandoned your morals one bit. Do you think because you choose to drink or want better things in life, that makes your morals suffer? No
Them kids dont even know what morals are, besides the ones they hear off foxnews....

It seems that some right wing nuts dont have much experience in life and get force fed the crap by the media....Until you go out and live life, and for example, living life is being open minded, open minded enough to join the National Guard as a 18 year old boy who did not believe in killing another person,yes I served my 8 years and got out and I learned from it....It also has alot to do with how I feel about this war...

In my opinion these jabronis need to turn the computer off and start living life and after a few years then lets debate morals and all that stuff...until then if your going to preach the republican line about the war and morals, you better be ready to sign up and go over and fight and of course make sure you live a perfect life with 1 wife and 2.5 kids.

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Re: Are you kidding??? redstar32 December 13 2005, 23:55:13 UTC
Thanks, glad to see I'm not alone.

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