Eternity Week #2: The Alternatives

Jan 22, 2008 15:10

So today I'm going to try to rough up materialism and pantheism a bit before moving on. This is not really on topic, and may seem downright mean to some people who have accepted the modern idea that to deny someone's beliefs is to make a personal attack. But still, chances are, if I don't, and I just start talking about eternity, all the ( Read more... )

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relevance January 22 2008, 21:01:57 UTC
Why must pantheism dictate that the world is without hope of anything different? Perhaps my interpretation of pantheism differs from the norm, but it seems that one can imagine a world which Is a certain way, and Is Becoming something different and better, through Its will and agency (of which our own is a not-quite-infinitesimal part).

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redcrosse January 23 2008, 01:14:22 UTC
You know, you raise a good point, one I thought about over dinner at some length (before I got your comment.) I think, in truth, that I am paraphrasing C.S. Lewis too much, even where I disagree with him. I may edit this, or at least reword it ( ... )

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relevance January 24 2008, 02:18:43 UTC
I can see that you're giving the question of pantheism careful attention - I admire your willingness to reevaluate your argument ( ... )

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relevance January 24 2008, 02:24:52 UTC
I should add that, as regards the question of what it all is striving towards, I don't think there is a single universal goal that we are meant to achieve.

That said, I am not a moral relativist. I believe that principles of ethics are inherent in the human condition, and thus - on some level - inherent in the universe. Part of God.

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redcrosse January 24 2008, 04:32:18 UTC
Pantheism, unlike Materialism, I do take very seriously. I will not respond until I think more, though I believe that in a sense, my arguments on the Trinity will address this very directly. I will say for the time being that I believe your ardor to not fully separate the dreamer from the dream is laudable and accurate.

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redcrosse January 23 2008, 01:19:30 UTC
I have deleted the offending paragraph, uncertain of its truth value. This leaves my argument open to certain attacks, but that's better than actively espousing something that's quite possibly incorrect. I need to think this out better ( ... )

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