on the subject of SJWs

[redcandle17]

The reason I hate a certain type of vocal "liberal" best termed a Social Justice Warrior (or SJW for short) is this: they seem to believe that every racial minority or woman has or should have the same opinion, and that anyone who has different opinions must be suffering from internalized racism or internalized misogyny. It's patronizing and self-

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[transemacabre]

There's the over-invested, naive SJWs who've just left mom and dad's nest and are fledging out into the real world, and they're trying too hard and making fools of themselves, and then there's the SJWs who are, frankly, bullies who've found a socially acceptable way to bully others

[redcandle17]

Some of the beliefs, such as interracial relationships being "fetishism", have looped so far around that they now resemble the racist beliefs of white supremacists.

Exactly. I'm sick of seeing SJWs claim that Asian women date/marry white men because they've internalized racism. Policing other people's love lives and passing judgment on them - Jesus Christ, SJWs became the enemy they fought a long time ago.

I also agree with what you said about the echo chamber effect. To an extent that's true of all political-minded people, but it's especially toxic in SJW circles. It's frightening to see how quickly they'll accuse anyone who disagrees with them about anything of being racist/sexist/homophobic - even when the person they're accusing is herself/himself a member of the group SJWs are purportedly championing.

[transemacabre]

It's frightening to see how quickly they'll accuse anyone who disagrees with them about anything of being racist/sexist/homophobic - even when the person they're accusing is herself/himself a member of the group SJWs are purportedly championing.Yeah, don't you just LOVE the implied accusation of being a race traitor? And I've seen SJWs pull that shit many times. I think one of the most recent incidents was Nayyirah Waheed on Tumblr, who's a black American woman who took it on herself to lecture actual South Africans on who Nelson Mandela 'belongs' to. It's like -- they don't WANT her opinion, she has no right to speak for any South Africans, black or white, and her rhetoric is kinda making a mockery out of everything Mandela stood for. But never mind, she's invested in this so full-steam ahead

[redcandle17]

I think that's one of the defining characteristics of a SJW: applying American racial and sexual politics to the rest of the world.

I've started to hate the phrase "cultural appropriation" because of the overabundance of cultural appropriation accusations. It seems like SJWs have no sense of history. Almost everything that exists now came from preceding cultures, and not necessarily the same culture our individual ancestors belonged to.

I propose we ban fireworks as part of American celebrations. Fireworks are a blatant appropriation of Chinese culture. I should start an internet campaign...

[kimberlite8]

I'm sympathetic to representation issues. I do get annoyed when there's some TV show about doctors and so few of them are Asian or Indian - that's just not true to life. Worse when a movie like 21 gets made which is based on a true story of a group of MIT students that made money from counting cards in Vegas. In real life most of those students were asian. In the movie, only a sidekick was. The character that Ben Campbell played was a real person, named Jeff Ma. Then Avatar The Last Airbender - I loved that cartoon and the live action movie was full of white people when the cartoon didn't have any white people. Come on

[redcandle17]

Yeah, the representation of doctors on television is severely lacking. Every single pre-med student I went to college with was East Asian, South Asian, or Jewish with Eastern European parents. Yes, NY is more diverse than other parts of the country, but so many television shows are set here and in other similarly diverse cities, it's downright inaccurate for TV!doctors to be so white bread.

The Avatar: The Last Airbender thing was an outrage. I could forgive them if they made one major character white, but whitewashing the whole cast except the villains was unforgivable.

how out of touch so many people were. If I let myself get offended at that level, I would be paralyzed in real life

I often wonder how those people function in life. That's why I tend to assume that they're mostly college students. College campuses are really the only place that removed from reality.

I also hate how everything some how comes back to America. It's narcissistic.To me that's one of the primary traits of a SJW: the inability to comprehend that

[kimberlite8]

I have to believe that they're intentionally being disingenuous to support their arguments, because I really don't want to believe that so many educated people can be so fucking stupid. I think they do believe it. You and me both come from the third world. But if all of your experience is with America, you can believe it is the worst place on earth. I'm really shocked by the all these equivalences that are set between the US and nnn, where nnn is a place people want to leave because of human rights abuses. It reminds me of that quote from Neal Stephenson

[mojave_wolf]

I have such a visceral dislike for the particular sort of person you are talking about that I'm not quite sure what I have to contribute here, especially since I'm pretty sure you're already aware of my thoughts, other than to say "Hear hear!" (Okay, my immediate thought was to post a critique ostensibly coming from such a person, beginning with about three lines of trigger warnings and/or content notes, but I scrapped that idea) Wish lots of the SJW's you are talking about would read this. And this is coming from someone who very much tries to work for social justice, and is very, very far left on most issues compared to most Americans (I would be more or less middle of the road in Europe, I think? not entirely sure), and who totally believes in the existence of false consciousness and the value of consciousness raising. Of course, the same people attacking Rice would argue that attributing beliefs/behavior to falsce consciousness is not respecting other people's agency, so what do I know?

[redcandle17]

Okay, my immediate thought was to post a critique ostensibly coming from such a person, beginning with about three lines of trigger warnings and/or content notes, but I scrapped that idea

I, of course, would immediately have been offended because you used the wrong terminology for X in your trigger warning and you forgot to warn about Y! :p

[violaswamp]

Er, hi. I came here looking for an old fic of yours and stumbled on this post and I just wanted to say that I concur completely. I think, as a commenter above says, a lot of SJWs are just seizing on their 'causes' as an iron-clad excuse to bully others, and if you complain about the bullying you're told to check your privilege. (If you don't have the privilege they're talking about, like white privilege, then you're a 'traitor' or your ethnicity isn't non-white enough--people of any kind of Asian descent, like me, seem to get this a lot). I'm particularly disturbed by how SJWs seem to tolerate or even embrace misogyny under the guise of anti-racism and anti-imperialism.

[redcandle17]

if you complain about the bullying you're told to check your privilege.

Nothing infuriates me faster than this. And, of course, when I point out that I'm a brown female immigrant and therefore I don't have the privileges they assume I have, that's when the internalized racism and/or internalized misogyny accusations get thrown about. I try to avoid discussions in fandom these days because of the SJWs.

[rangerishot]

This has been a powerful thread to read and it's very, very refreshing to read such a candid view against those that purport to be saving society

[redcandle17]

I say, as I can completely concur as well, being a female in a typically male-oriented occupation, i.e. civil engineering. In my own experience, the females with the most respect are those that get on with the job and don't play the female card. Yes, it's hard, I know first hand, but it's the reality.I agree. When I was in Army basic training, our senior drill sergeant (a black female) told the females "If you're offended by everything and complain about everything, nobody's going to want to be around you." This was after a formal complaint filed by some of females that prompted a visit by our sergeant major - one of the complaints being that some silly little 19 yr old felt "harassed" because she happened to see another female masturbating (in her own bed) one night while she was on duty patrolling the female barracks