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Apr 26, 2015 17:54

So I finished Origins and now I'm playing Dragon Age II. (I'm a completist, I can't just skip to Inquisition, so I will be playing all of them. I played ALL of the DLC in Origins too. Also, my brother gave me all of Mass Effect for my birthday. HELP. There is a reason I have spent years only playing Halo. That reason is my time-management ( Read more... )

after, bad book club, 50 shades, dragon age

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kita0610 April 26 2015, 22:57:54 UTC
Dude if you figure that book thing out let me know. Any of us could do so much better than the crap that's out there. Otoh, crap apparently sells. I don't understand. /old

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a2zmom April 27 2015, 01:14:43 UTC
I was going to write the same thing. I have never read 50 shades, but I have read some hysterical reviews of it on Amazon and I don't understand why it's so popular. It just seems bad in every respect.

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kita0610 April 27 2015, 01:24:27 UTC
Because women neither know or believe they deserve/have access to actual decent porn.

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redbrickrose April 27 2015, 02:50:47 UTC
Will keep you both posted on my "get rich off mediocre fanfic" plan. It's in the works.

So I read 50 Shades - the whole trilogy. It's...just a bad Twilight AU (bad as badly written, and also bad as in, however one feels about Twilight, the 50 Shades characterizations are completely off). Like, had I encountered the original in it's fanfic context, I'd have back-buttoned, but it wouldn't have fazed me at all. (Even stuff like the infamous tampon scene, which only even sort of works in a vampire-AU context). So it's a bad Twilight AU, but it's also a pretty standard romance novel (at least the old-school ones), except for the explicit bdsm (which isn't nothing, but is also not...actually that kinky as portrayed, but is kind of telling in the way foregrounds that romance-novel dynamic ( ... )

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kita0610 April 27 2015, 03:03:00 UTC
I guess it shouldn't be surprising? I mean, most best sellers in any genre are poorly written. And there's definitely a feminist part of me that's like FUCK YOU WOMEN LIKE IT WOMEN BOUGHT IT TO JACK OFF TO. But the rest - also feminist- of me is just shaking my head bc SERIOUSLY WE DESERVE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT CRAP TO JACK OFF TO.

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redbrickrose April 27 2015, 04:25:34 UTC
I have the same struggle! Like, I am sympathetic to the argument that things women like tend to be dismissed. This article is completely true, and ALSO 50 Shades of Grey is bad.

I am not here to judge other people's ids. And I actually get that the central fantasy of 50 Shades - of being desired that intensely - is potent. It's potent even if you're not kinking on the bdsm stuff; if you ARE and didn't know that about yourself before, like, wow, okay, I actually get how that would really resonate.

But then we're still back to "we deserve better porn." Because 50 Shades might not actually BE what women want/like, it might just be all there IS as far as the mainstream is concerned.

Thank God, for fandom. Of course, 50 Shades came out of fandom, and also we live in a post omegaverse world, so I wouldn't WANT most of our porn being mainstream, but the general point stands. "Like 50 Shades, but BETTER" is a totally reasonable to wish for.

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elucidate_this April 27 2015, 13:05:56 UTC
Oh god omegaverse in mainstream society. Terrifying. But also I predict it happening in the next 10 years.

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redbrickrose April 27 2015, 13:55:19 UTC
hahahaha oh god. /o\

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netweight April 27 2015, 21:48:43 UTC
we live in a post omegaverse world

*snerk*

Year four. Though more in dog years.

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a2zmom April 27 2015, 11:44:34 UTC
Yeah, that's probably true.

I wish I could just send out messages that there is much, much better porn and it's free over at AO3 and a zillion other sites.

And if nothing in fandom floats your boat, there is better published porn out there. Not always as readily available but my understanding is that Ann Rice's early porn stuff is good before she completely drank the kool aid.

As happens too often, men make the decisions on what woman want to read.

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elucidate_this April 27 2015, 13:03:39 UTC
I wish I could just send out messages that there is much, much better porn and it's free over at AO3 and a zillion other sites.

I once got really drunk at a party with some family friends (well, I've been drunk at those parties a million times) and somebody brought up 50 shades and I started yelling about how what 50 shades made clear is how much women want porn and that they should all be looking to fanfiction for that porn and how if any of the women at the table wanted porn I could get them porn that is much better than 50 shades.

And then to distract me my sister started singing songs from Newsies and we had a Newsies sing-along.

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redbrickrose April 27 2015, 14:22:04 UTC
There is a LOT of way better porn in fandom! And I absolutely make that argument too, because there's so much here that's better. But also I think we have to remember that 50 Shades was fanfic too. I know it's ff.net, so it's coming out of a little bit of a different fannish subculture, but it's still unapologetically id-ficcy fanfic* that should never have been taken out of context, which would be true of a lot of fandom porn, even (let's be honest, especially) some of I what love the most.

If you know how to navigate fannish spaces and know what you're getting/how to find what you want, fandom is the BEST. But I don't necessarily think it can replace more mainstream stuff people are accessing.

*50 Shades does also follow a lot of old school, gross romance novel tropes to the letter. I'm having this problem with After too. One could absolutely make an argument about romance as a genre having a similar shared fantasy/narrative assumptions. But I'd have to think about that more, and probably read a bunch more romance novels.

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redbrickrose April 27 2015, 14:30:32 UTC
I definitely think Anne Rice's early stuff is good - much more compelling, much better characters, so in that sense it's better. But it doesn't exactly paint a picture of healthy relationships and it's rapey-er than 50 Shades. But also, I guess no one was going to point to ANYTHING in Anne Rice as an example of healthy romance, which is really the core problem with 50 Shades. It's billed as oh-so-romantic, when ugh, no.

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a2zmom April 27 2015, 14:28:35 UTC
Yeah, that's probably true.

I wish I could just send out messages that there is much, much better porn and it's free over at AO3 and a zillion other sites.

And if nothing in fandom floats your boat, there is better published porn out there. Not always as readily available but my understanding is that Ann Rice's early porn stuff is good before she completely drank the kool aid.

As happens too often, men make the decisions on what woman want to read.

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