I just read a post in which a Thelemite made the statement of "We are not equal." It was used in the context that some people are better than others
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6. Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldst have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldst thou despise one who is weaker than thyself?
Does this passage not show there are those who are weak and those who are not? How does this reconcile with your assertion we are all equal?
But who is to say that others do not see you as less than equal and seeing you as needing to improve (that is an analogy and not directed towards you specifically of course)?
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I am responsible for myself. You are responsible to you. If one chooses to give an opinion to another, it can be received or rejected. You are under no obligation to receive it.
If I see you as less than my equal and you want to be seen by me as an equal, then it is your responsibility try change, not mine. If I want you to see me as your equal, it is my responsibility to change. I have no requirement to see anyone as my superior or inferior. These judgments are based on my personal criteria just as you based judgment on yours. You seem to be condemning others for judging others as inferior and yet you are turning around and judging them to be inferior by calling them bigots. How is that not hypocritical?
If such is the case, in keeping with your post, are you saying that there are some Thelemites that need to be spoon fed their opinions of Thelema by anothers or that some Thelemites need others to direct their particular orbit?
If a person is truly a Thelemite, then no one could spoon feed them opinions or tell them their orbit.
As far as delusional, "a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness." While I do find you intelligenct, your intelligence alone is not enough to make my opinion delusional.
Notice the word evidence. Neither your post or Melissa’s is giving any evidence one way or another. Until there is something concrete, all that is going on is people dispensing opinions and ruffling feathers.
****If such is the case, in keeping with your post, are you saying that there are some Thelemites that need to be spoon fed their opinions of Thelema by anothers****
Most definately not. I am saying that there are Thelemites out there that think it is their duty to spoon feed others what Thelema is as well as trying to tell others of their particular orbit.
Of course there are those that do seek the help and wisdom of others and to an extent there is a need for direction. For example, if I were to have the desire to become a Priest in the EGC I would need direction in that task as it contains specifics. What I am saying is there are those that, for whatever reason (superiority complex or whatever), feel it is their duty to go around telling others how they need to conduct themselves or what they should believe as Thelemites. They tell them what books the have to read and which ones to avoid, etc, etc.
Quite frankly, unless another's actions are harming the person that is attempting to influence them, it is quite none of their business as to what the other person believes or how they conduct themselves. We have a responsibility to fix our own self and not another star.
Most definately not. I am saying that there are Thelemites out there that think it is their duty to spoon feed others what Thelema is as well as trying to tell others of their particular orbit.
Again John, it is your responsibility to accept what is in accordance with your will and your understanding. If you do not like or do not understand what someone else says, you simply do not have to pay attention.
What I am saying is there are those that, for whatever reason (superiority complex or whatever), feel it is their duty to go around telling others how they need to conduct themselves or what they should believe as Thelemites. They tell them what books the have to read and which ones to avoid, etc, etc.
Quite frankly, unless another's actions are harming the person that is attempting to influence them, it is quite none of their business as to what the other person believes or how they conduct themselves. We have a responsibility to fix our own self and not another star.
Many people say many things. Does it not boil down to you? Your will? Your path? If these things people say are incorrect, harmful, bothering you, or whatever, then ignore them. You have no obligation to give them any credence in your life. Instead of complaining about something or someone you don't like, why not doing what you do like and what is in accordance with your will and ignore them? If these harmful people are such a negative influences, remove them and their influence. By complaining and going on and on, pointing fingers, calling names, are you not becoming as a negative influence that you claim the others are being? Do you not empower them when you continue to complain? They say be or do something this way, you reply don't tell me what to do. Yet are you not in turn telling them what to do? How is that any different?
Re: evidencesinnomngrlAugust 13 2004, 16:53:14 UTC
i knew it..alterior motives!!!!Dont worry im on it,i seen a million of them over there..u may even have to choose your animal print..gimme a few days ...
Re: evidenceamritamaniAugust 13 2004, 17:25:24 UTC
you are sooo awesome. i need peeps to come visit me, if you ever want a break let me know. john has already said something about splitting travel costs to get you down here. you would love little 5 points. ive got to take you there!
Re: evidencesinnomngrlAugust 13 2004, 19:04:11 UTC
lemme ask u how long is the drive ...or whatever ill rent a car and drive down,let me know,i can come any time ...its prolly easier than mailing u stuff,but if i have to ,i will.I always need a break.Espicially lately.I think it would be fair to say that I have a anger management problem since i got off the shit.My thresh hold for bull shit has gotten surprisingly small..Ask Kurt!Anyway.. let me know what u think.
All you are doing is spouting AC - by whose standard is that proof. Was he not simply 'dispensing opinions and ruffling feathers' in his day?
You say 'If a person is truly a Thelemite, then no one could spoon feed them opinions or tell them their orbit.' But isn't that precisely what you are doing my letting AC's work go unquestioned and unchallenged rather than evaluating it ounce by ounce and expanding your consciousness beyond 1904?
Does this passage not show there are those who are weak and those who are not? How does this reconcile with your assertion we are all equal?
But who is to say that others do not see you as less than equal and seeing you as needing to improve (that is an analogy and not directed towards you specifically of course)?
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I am responsible for myself. You are responsible to you. If one chooses to give an opinion to another, it can be received or rejected. You are under no obligation to receive it.
If I see you as less than my equal and you want to be seen by me as an equal, then it is your responsibility try change, not mine. If I want you to see me as your equal, it is my responsibility to change. I have no requirement to see anyone as my superior or inferior. These judgments are based on my personal criteria just as you based judgment on yours. You seem to be condemning others for judging others as inferior and yet you are turning around and judging them to be inferior by calling them bigots. How is that not hypocritical?
If such is the case, in keeping with your post, are you saying that there are some Thelemites that need to be spoon fed their opinions of Thelema by anothers or that some Thelemites need others to direct their particular orbit?
If a person is truly a Thelemite, then no one could spoon feed them opinions or tell them their orbit.
As far as delusional, "a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness." While I do find you intelligenct, your intelligence alone is not enough to make my opinion delusional.
Notice the word evidence. Neither your post or Melissa’s is giving any evidence one way or another. Until there is something concrete, all that is going on is people dispensing opinions and ruffling feathers.
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Most definately not. I am saying that there are Thelemites out there that think it is their duty to spoon feed others what Thelema is as well as trying to tell others of their particular orbit.
Of course there are those that do seek the help and wisdom of others and to an extent there is a need for direction. For example, if I were to have the desire to become a Priest in the EGC I would need direction in that task as it contains specifics. What I am saying is there are those that, for whatever reason (superiority complex or whatever), feel it is their duty to go around telling others how they need to conduct themselves or what they should believe as Thelemites. They tell them what books the have to read and which ones to avoid, etc, etc.
Quite frankly, unless another's actions are harming the person that is attempting to influence them, it is quite none of their business as to what the other person believes or how they conduct themselves. We have a responsibility to fix our own self and not another star.
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Again John, it is your responsibility to accept what is in accordance with your will and your understanding. If you do not like or do not understand what someone else says, you simply do not have to pay attention.
What I am saying is there are those that, for whatever reason (superiority complex or whatever), feel it is their duty to go around telling others how they need to conduct themselves or what they should believe as Thelemites. They tell them what books the have to read and which ones to avoid, etc, etc.
Quite frankly, unless another's actions are harming the person that is attempting to influence them, it is quite none of their business as to what the other person believes or how they conduct themselves. We have a responsibility to fix our own self and not another star.
Many people say many things. Does it not boil down to you? Your will? Your path? If these things people say are incorrect, harmful, bothering you, or whatever, then ignore them. You have no obligation to give them any credence in your life. Instead of complaining about something or someone you don't like, why not doing what you do like and what is in accordance with your will and ignore them? If these harmful people are such a negative influences, remove them and their influence. By complaining and going on and on, pointing fingers, calling names, are you not becoming as a negative influence that you claim the others are being? Do you not empower them when you continue to complain? They say be or do something this way, you reply don't tell me what to do. Yet are you not in turn telling them what to do? How is that any different?
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psst ... corset purse, animal print .. must have. must mail me gaudy purse!
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i need peeps to come visit me, if you ever want a break let me know. john has already said something about splitting travel costs to get you down here. you would love little 5 points. ive got to take you there!
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i would love for you to come down.
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You say 'If a person is truly a Thelemite, then no one could spoon feed them opinions or tell them their orbit.' But isn't that precisely what you are doing my letting AC's work go unquestioned and unchallenged rather than evaluating it ounce by ounce and expanding your consciousness beyond 1904?
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