I realize that I have actually seen it too many times.
And the dynamics are super-similar to the ship war factions, where each "side" thinks they are so very different to the other , and their beloved favorite is so very different to the other, and they really aren't.
fuffy is a f/f version of spuffy - dysfunctional love/hate relationship at the beginning and redemtion/forgiveness at the end)
Total agreement there, you've summed it up perfectly.
Buffy/Willow probably just too much resembles Willow/Tara, so people don't consider the non-canon pairing when there already is the canon one.
That's an interesting point. But doesn't that contradict your statements about Spuffy/Fuffy ? Or really, any non-canon relationship shouldn't even exist if that were the case - why Spangel, Spander, Bander, and dear god WHY Buffy/Giles?
Never mind that the Buffy-Willow friendship IS canon, and central to the series.
Non-canon ships seem to fill a need (with me, Bara fills a need to see Buffy loved and cared for tenderly and give Tara a bigger role in the story than she got in canon). So what need does Wiffy NOT fill? People love friendship fics, but when I hear people talk about "the Scoobie gang" they mean specifically Xander and Willow.
Is it lack of at least one male character + lack of romantic / sexual chemistry = no interest? So even the friendship is neglected? *ponders*
But doesn't that contradict your statements about Spuffy/Fuffy? IMO, f/m ship can't be a real substitute for f/f ship (or m/m ship), as many people tend to read almost exclusively het or femslash or male slash (epsecially when it comes to porn). Personally, I find it weird (ok, apart from the porn part, which I get), but it seems to be the case.
About Buffy/Willow friendship - yes, it's extremely weird. But there seems to be also a lack of any other female friendfip fics for Willow. If we disregard PWPs, fics where Willow is allowed to have close relationship with other female except Tara are pretty rare. Het Willow ships/friendships are much more common. Do people feel that Willow getting close with other girl somehow betrays memory of Tara? (Or is it just my very non-representative reading circle?)
About Buffy/Giles - I don't ship it, but I get why it exists. Incest is a thing. (Also I don't get why Buffy/Giles and not Willow/Giles, which at least could be written more or less in-character.)
Do people feel that Willow getting close with other girl somehow betrays memory of Tara? (Or is it just my very non-representative reading circle?)
Well Kennedy still gets lots of hate for the sin of not being Tara (and I don't love Kennedy but I don't hate her either. I didn't love Tara at first sight either; another season or two I might have grown to really like her.) I don't understand why Willow's love for Tara precludes friendships; that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Incest is a thing.
ICK.
Also? I swear that the majority of B/G shippers I've seen are all about woobifying their guy, glossing over his fuck-ups (you know, like every other shipping group does), portraying him as absolutely perfect AND putting Buffy down for not appreciating their beloved guy in canon. (Again, like every other shipping group.)
That said:
I don't get why Buffy/Giles and not Willow/Giles, which at least could be written more or less in-character
RIGHT??? I thought there'd be tons of it out there. Or why not more Giles/Anya (I wish they had gone their with the two of them.) Or Giles/Joyce. Or heck, how about Giles/Jenny or Giles/Olivia. There is canon support for all of these but...no, Giles/Buffy is the big thing.
And the dynamics are super-similar to the ship war factions, where each "side" thinks they are so very different to the other , and their beloved favorite is so very different to the other, and they really aren't.
fuffy is a f/f version of spuffy - dysfunctional love/hate relationship at the beginning and redemtion/forgiveness at the end)
Total agreement there, you've summed it up perfectly.
Buffy/Willow probably just too much resembles Willow/Tara, so people don't consider the non-canon pairing when there already is the canon one.
That's an interesting point. But doesn't that contradict your statements about Spuffy/Fuffy ? Or really, any non-canon relationship shouldn't even exist if that were the case - why Spangel, Spander, Bander, and dear god WHY Buffy/Giles?
Never mind that the Buffy-Willow friendship IS canon, and central to the series.
Non-canon ships seem to fill a need (with me, Bara fills a need to see Buffy loved and cared for tenderly and give Tara a bigger role in the story than she got in canon). So what need does Wiffy NOT fill? People love friendship fics, but when I hear people talk about "the Scoobie gang" they mean specifically Xander and Willow.
Is it lack of at least one male character + lack of romantic / sexual chemistry = no interest? So even the friendship is neglected? *ponders*
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IMO, f/m ship can't be a real substitute for f/f ship (or m/m ship), as many people tend to read almost exclusively het or femslash or male slash (epsecially when it comes to porn). Personally, I find it weird (ok, apart from the porn part, which I get), but it seems to be the case.
About Buffy/Willow friendship - yes, it's extremely weird. But there seems to be also a lack of any other female friendfip fics for Willow.
If we disregard PWPs, fics where Willow is allowed to have close relationship with other female except Tara are pretty rare. Het Willow ships/friendships are much more common. Do people feel that Willow getting close with other girl somehow betrays memory of Tara? (Or is it just my very non-representative reading circle?)
About Buffy/Giles - I don't ship it, but I get why it exists. Incest is a thing. (Also I don't get why Buffy/Giles and not Willow/Giles, which at least could be written more or less in-character.)
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Well Kennedy still gets lots of hate for the sin of not being Tara (and I don't love Kennedy but I don't hate her either. I didn't love Tara at first sight either; another season or two I might have grown to really like her.) I don't understand why Willow's love for Tara precludes friendships; that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Incest is a thing.
ICK.
Also? I swear that the majority of B/G shippers I've seen are all about woobifying their guy, glossing over his fuck-ups (you know, like every other shipping group does), portraying him as absolutely perfect AND putting Buffy down for not appreciating their beloved guy in canon. (Again, like every other shipping group.)
That said:
I don't get why Buffy/Giles and not Willow/Giles, which at least could be written more or less in-character
RIGHT??? I thought there'd be tons of it out there. Or why not more Giles/Anya (I wish they had gone their with the two of them.) Or Giles/Joyce. Or heck, how about Giles/Jenny or Giles/Olivia. There is canon support for all of these but...no, Giles/Buffy is the big thing.
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