Why yes there are meta & other icontests out there and here be necessary reminders

Jun 20, 2014 11:02

Your Madame Ambassador of Meta (according to punch_kicker15) and Patron Saint of Icons (per eilowyn, and when the heck did this happen anyway?) has been remiss in her duties. And is speaking of herself in third person. This cannot stand. So herewith:

** Foz Meadow's essay, Gender, Orphan Black and the Meta of Meta says everything I want to say, beautifully, cogently ( Read more... )

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velvetwhip June 20 2014, 16:55:36 UTC

2) Should there be a law against white, middle-aged, college-educated, working or middle class suburban women using phrases like "my peeps totally rock"? Or at least a stern warning?

As a white, private school educated woman, I say YES! Also "homies" or "chillin". We need our own catchphrases, though "Chip and Muffy are such sports" lacks punch somehow.

As to 4? EVERYONE eats cake.

Your icons are awesome!

Also, the point about gender... as someone who thought Brenda Leigh Johnson (The Closer) was AWESOME and wanted to punch everyone in the face who "pitied" Fritz for "putting up with her", may I just say that I like difficult female protagonists.

Gabrielle

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kikimay June 21 2014, 21:29:42 UTC
Sorry to butt in but BRENDA OMG QUEEN FOREVER.

Brenda seems like Buffy's cousin to me. They share some traits in common and both are difficult female characters. I love them. <3 (I also liked captain Raydor in The Closer. I know that she did a spin off but I didn't watch it yet) It's nice to see that someone else like her too!

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velvetwhip June 21 2014, 23:53:49 UTC
YES! Because Brenda is GODDESS! I love her ambition, her single-minded focus, her devious, calculating mind... and oh my stars, wasn't she marvelous with the teenage rape victim of the "cherry picking" high school students? LOVE HER!!!

Also, stay away from Major Crimes. You'll only sob your feminist heart out every time you see Nadine Velazquez in skin tight dresses playing the male gaze fantasy of a District Attorney. It sets feminism back 30 years every time she appears on screen (if she could act, that would ease the pain, but no... she can't say hello as if she's actually greeting someone). It's a betrayal of everything The Closer stood for and it fills me with rage.

Gabrielle

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kikimay June 21 2014, 23:58:26 UTC
Oh really? Pity! I liked Raydor.

But really like Brenda there's only Brenda. I mostly watched The Closer because of her. While I appreciated the whole cast, she was the main reason and the person who made the show. Plus her accent is adorable. QUEEN. <3 <3 <3

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kikimay June 20 2014, 19:04:45 UTC
Oh God. These icons are SO DAMN SPARKLY. I love it. So much!
My favorite is 2. Or maybe 3. Or 1. I don't know. They are really beautiful and, you know it, my kind of thing. Can't wait to see the others!

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eilowyn June 20 2014, 22:40:42 UTC
#1: I was going to comment on velvetwhip's acceptable language post with this scene from Community, and I realized that you would absolutely love Britta Perry if you ever get around to watching Community (and have a tolerance for Chevy Chase being an asshat). She's atheistic, formerly activist, feminist, and dealing with her white liberal guilt in a realistic and honest way. I tell people I'm an Annie, but I want to grow up to be a Britta ( ... )

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red_satin_doll June 21 2014, 03:21:14 UTC
(have I ever sent you that paper? You'd enjoy it).

No, I'd love to see it!

Artistic remorse is something every artist deals with. I'm embarrassed by the stories I wrote when I was fifteen, not only because they're terrible, but because I know I can do so much better now. We grow as artists, and it's natural to think that old stuff sucks because you've learned so much more in the intervening times. There will always be stuff that you remain proud of

You are wise beyond your years, m'dear. *hugs*

A few years ago I found an essay I wrote for film history in college nearly 20 years ago that dealt with Laura Mulvey's feminist film theories and screwball comedies and thought "damn. I wrote that? smart kid." So there are some things I can look back at fondly.

And btw what IS this post of velvetwhip's you speak of, sweetie? Because this is of interest to me ( ... )

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eilowyn June 21 2014, 18:26:34 UTC
Laura Mulvey

She's the male gaze lady, right? I know I could just look it up on Wikipedia, but I'm lazy.

The velvetwhip post is the one above, where she says she uses gangsta slang, and I was just going to say something like "the only thing you can't use is the n-word, as demonstrated by Britta Perry in this scene from Community", and link to that post with the screencaps and her speech about raging against the machine.

I sent you the Buffy paper, but I haven't looked at it in a while so I'm sure I'll find flaws when I do, but I think it's my strongest piece right now, so that's what I'm hoping to adapt for writing samples. I'm also going to send you my Statement of Objectives for MIT, which is my dream school, just to get your opinion. This is a very, very rough first draft, but I want to know if, in your opinion, I can get away with something so casual.

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red_satin_doll June 26 2014, 03:00:56 UTC
She's the male gaze lady, right?

You're too funny, Lexi *squishes you* Yup. "Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema" (1974) was THE feminst film theory that everyone learned and either supported or wrote in reaction to/against even when I went to college in the '90's. Her follow-up "Afterthoughts" where she modifies some of her positions is less well-known.

And those gifs of Britta make me want to watch the show - and also? Troy's face. Just looking at gifs of Troy's face I WANT to watch this show, damn it!

The velvetwhip post is the one above,

I knew that *shifty eyes*

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snogged June 21 2014, 13:46:02 UTC
I've heard really good things about Orphan Black, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I hope to correct that soon.

Your icons look very sparkly. :)

I too have been known to say peeps. I don't think there should be shame in that.

I'm a mid-western, college-educated, lower-middle class woman and I don't think there should be a law against what we can say. That's anti-feminist. :P

Finally, always eat cake. Except for the times when the cake is a lie...or when aperture science is involved.

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tigerpetals June 22 2014, 07:37:16 UTC
Thank you for linking to that meta! Though my experience in the Once Upon a Time fandom has made me less eager for female characters to be treated just like male ones--I want some sort of middle ground where they're treated with more leniency and male ones with less, to stop the usual "there can only be one" mentality with regard to female characters from kicking in--I agree with the general point ( ... )

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red_satin_doll June 27 2014, 12:50:56 UTC
I apologize for taking so long to reply to this! I really enjoyed reading this (and getting some book rec's in the process.)

Also, happy birthday to you!

Roxane Gay's article is super - and did you read the comments afterward? Predictably enough, someone complained about her turning the article into a "feminist rant". There's always at least one of those in the crowd.

If you’re reading to find friends, you’re in deep trouble. We read to find life, in all its possibilities. The relevant question isn’t ‘Is this a potential friend for me?’ but ‘Is this character alive?’”

And Messud is my newest heros, thanks to you.

Perhaps this intimacy makes us uncomfortable because we don’t dare be so alive. I think there's also, in terms of women disliking women characters and demanding a standard of likability, a "looking in the mirror" factor. We've been raised to "be nice" to please others (I'm in my 40's but a friend of mine in her 20's struggles with some of the same issues, so it's not just a generational thing.) We can't possibly ( ... )

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tigerpetals June 28 2014, 23:29:45 UTC
Thank you for the birthday wish! It was nice; I took a walk by the beach at sunset. I'm glad you enjoyed the read. I've only read one of Gillian Flynn's books so far--Sharp Objects--and it lived up to what people had said about it; I loved the heroine. I'm looking forward to reading the rest, as well as some of the other books mentioned in the essay. By the way, here's Gillian Flynn's brief article talking about female violence and bad girls: http://gillian-flynn.com/for-readers/ It's what finally made me read Sharp Objects

Predictably enough, someone complained about her turning the article into a "feminist rant". There's always at least one of those in the crowd.

But of course! I avoided the comments.

So we dislike in female characters what we dislike in ourselves, whereas we can like flawed male characters because there's a degree of difference (ergo safety) in identifying with them. And we've been taught that "boys will be boys."Yes. I try not to do that ( ... )

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