Quick quick now!
1) The deadline is tomorrow, Friday the 20th at midnight for both otherworldlyric challenge #166 , "Easy Way Out" by Gotye, and slayerstillness challenge 20 "Love Song for a Vampire. More entries are needed - and I'm sitting both of these out, so don't look at me. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the pretties this time around
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Also I read some of your tumblr posts (I noticed xlivieloxx there as well) and found them really interesting - I had no idea that so much actual conversation was happening on tumblr (not just picspams); but the format seems weird to me. Perhaps I've been wrong that it doesn't suit conversations. (I can't see myself making an account but I'm tempted just to be able to follow and chime in from time to time.)
But you know I share your thoughts on the matter at any rate - and kwritten definitely put down in words what I've been thinking for some time, and probably with more clarity and passion than I could. (I only disagree with her slightly on the subject of slash shipping, which I think is a legitimate strategy for writing about dynamics and characters an author is genuinely interested in - preferable to "shipping Spuffy/Bangel" etc whilst hating one of the partners in the pairing.) But I have nothing to back up that opinion beyond a general intuition sense.
Again, Buffy still written crappily, but Spuffy undertones, so thoughts were positive.
Well I do get that other people are Spike fans first, or shipping is their primary lens. That's what they are in it for, as passionately as I'm in it for Buffy. What surprised (surprises) me is the number of folks who said "it's Joss I trust him [to make it make sense]? to confirm my ship [which he never has had the balls to do either way]?" After how many years?
Even I felt sympathy for Bangel and Angel fans after the spacefrak because I assumed they'd be infuriated by the treatment of their ship and beloved characters and that turned out by and large to not be the case, from what I've seen. It's perplexing.
Even if it was, it's still punishment for a romantic choice* and that's bullshit whether it's Angel or Spike.
Whether it was meant to be "subversive" or not, it's gross and mean-spirited towards the characters - and their fans - on any number of levels. But especially towards Buffy herself.
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Originally I never intended to leave comments. I created an account so I could ignore all the role-playing blogs when I searched the tags for fan art. Nah, it's not really conducive to good conversations--the 'reblog' thing is too clunky for that--and it's more geared toward positive reinforcement than critical. For a while there, though, it was the only place for 'Buffy' discussions. Some posters have interesting thoughts, but for the most part it's a rehash of years ago. Mostly I just end up attempting to explain some things were not what people thought they were back then.
But I have nothing to back up that opinion beyond a general intuition sense.
I think it can be, depending on the writer or pairing. I've seen a lot of Buffy/Faith stuff that had a lot of the same vibes as B/S, B/A, B/G, B/X, etc. As I think I said before, I think the only pairing I've read where it wasn't rampant was B/T. Even then there used to always be some Spike bashing, but at least then Buffy used to end it herself as opposed to Tara 'saving' her from him. That could just be me; I'm not much into non-canon slash. I like interactions between characters, but I'm canon first. Like Spangel. I think Spike and Angel have a very, very interesting tension-filled dynamic, but I could never see them as a functional couple.
Well I do get that other people are Spike fans first, or shipping is their primary lens.
Yeah, I get that, but as I said on tumblr it bugs me when they talk smack about Angel fans or Xander fans or Bangel who do the same thing.
It's perplexing.
I saw a lot of rage from Angel fans back then. I think it could be because you seem to hang around Buffy fandom, not AtS fandom and aren't exposed as much to fans of Angel the character. Could be wrong there. Not that I'd blame you. A LOT of Angel fans hate Buffy. I try to avoid them myself except for a few. :P
Whether it was meant to be "subversive" or not, it's gross and mean-spirited towards the characters - and their fans - on any number of levels. But especially towards Buffy herself.
Totally. And really, I don't know how Spuffy fans think it's in the cards after the blatant taunting in 34-37 of S8. The only Spuffy in S10 will end in tragedy or Spike telling Buffy to shove off (which is what a lot of these fans want, lbr).
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