I saw an obituary for an itty baby who died of one of the vax-able diseases once, and according to the parents, it was contracted from a nonvaxed kid they didn't know was nonvaxed. Then there was a rubella scare in my AP community and all these preggo moms were like, "Shit, was I around that kid?!" Too much risk, too much paranoia, and if I had a med frag kid I would be pissed as all hell to learn that someone hadn't informed me they'd opted out of vaxing. I also don't want it on my head if my kid were to give an illness to a kid who couldn't be vaxed.
Sometimes in parenting we do need to be selfish and watch out for our own above all else, but in some situations, we need to look out for the greater good. I think you need to have a really strong argument that you're fully behind in order to go against the advice of so many medical professionals. I get the idea of a delayed schedule or one shot at a time, but not at all? Seems too risky for everyone involved.
D had all his shots on sched, and I'll say that now having an 8 year old, it does seem easier to do them as an infant, when babies go to the dr all the time anyway. Now when I think about boosters I'm like, "Shit, did he get that already? What does he need again?" I didn't think I had the choice, based on the clinic telling me my kid's Medicaid would be in jeopardy if I didn't vax. I'd seen the bill for his uninsured NICU stay and it was six digits, and I was 18 and broke!
And I think the community a parent is operating in his a big effect too. In AP communities or "nonconformist" communities, not vaxing seems to be bundled up with breastfeeding, organic food, and not "buying" what they sell us ("they" being whoever is IDed as being oppressive to parents/babies). I remember feeling like I had to be apologetic about vaxing my kid, because it was dangerous or ignorant or some kind of sell-out move. It's weird shit but when you think about how much validation a new parent needs and how insecure we often are, it makes sense that just like someone would say, "I vaxed because the doc said to" others would say, "I didn't because none of the moms I know did."
I totally understand parents of autistic children wanting to know why their child is autistic. But as it stands now, I don't see the vaccine link as being valid and think it probably has way more to do with living in an increasingly toxic world in increasingly toxic bodies than w/ vaxing. At my job, people ask me all the time "What caused my cancer?" and it sucks to have to be like, "Well by and large we don't really know." because an answer, particularly a simple one, can be really helpful. And it also stands to reason that being able to blame something you were told to do because it was the right thing might be easier to deal with because then you don't blame yourself. You know, like "I have cancer because I took a pill my doc and the FDA said was safe, and it wasn't." vs "I have cancer because I smoked even though I knew it wasn't good for me." So, "My kid is autistic because I vaccinated, something the gov and doctors told me I HAD to do and was safe" is probably a lot easier for some parents than, "We will never know why my kid is autistic...could be that cigarette I smoked while preg, could be the chemical cleaners I used, etc etc." The lack of an identifiable cause means that it COULD be you. I hear that with patients all the time too, them running through a list of all the choices they made in life that could've led to that diagnosis.
Yr last paragraph is totally right on. Its always easier to blame something specific and external, no? Vauge "likely a combo of genes, environment, things you do, bla bla" is not fun for patients to hear.
I do think its bogus that the clinic told you that yr medicaid would be jeapordized if you didn't do X, tho.
Religious exemptions...I feel that people should have a right to choose what to do with their bodies. I do think that we live in a bigger community that is put in jeapordy when folks don't vax. I also think that Religious Exemptions are falsely used sometimes. Like if you don't have a religious exemption, don't lie and claim it. What do you think about it?
As far as I know, you cannot drop anyone from MediCal if they don't do X. I think you can drop a patient from your clinic (for any reason) which I could imagine being equivelent to not having health insurance if there aren't any other options that take MediCal in yr area. However, you have to notify pt in writing and it cannot cause harm to the pt, or else it is unethical. I would consider talking to the specific MD, or talking to ethics board.
So, I wonder if these MDs know something I don't. If they are "encouraging" or misleading patients intentionally?
I don't know, but maybe on the private insurance market, a company could droop a family if they didn't vax? Like it'd be a higher risk group? I'm just guessing that it could be a possiblity, I have no idea.
I totally understand parents of autistic children wanting to know why their child is autistic.
Yeah dude, I think people just so often want to find A REASON and will cling onto anything so they have something to blame for the issue. I can understand that to a point, but when there is no evidence to support that claim, it is just frustrating.
Sometimes in parenting we do need to be selfish and watch out for our own above all else, but in some situations, we need to look out for the greater good. I think you need to have a really strong argument that you're fully behind in order to go against the advice of so many medical professionals. I get the idea of a delayed schedule or one shot at a time, but not at all? Seems too risky for everyone involved.
D had all his shots on sched, and I'll say that now having an 8 year old, it does seem easier to do them as an infant, when babies go to the dr all the time anyway. Now when I think about boosters I'm like, "Shit, did he get that already? What does he need again?"
I didn't think I had the choice, based on the clinic telling me my kid's Medicaid would be in jeopardy if I didn't vax. I'd seen the bill for his uninsured NICU stay and it was six digits, and I was 18 and broke!
And I think the community a parent is operating in his a big effect too. In AP communities or "nonconformist" communities, not vaxing seems to be bundled up with breastfeeding, organic food, and not "buying" what they sell us ("they" being whoever is IDed as being oppressive to parents/babies). I remember feeling like I had to be apologetic about vaxing my kid, because it was dangerous or ignorant or some kind of sell-out move. It's weird shit but when you think about how much validation a new parent needs and how insecure we often are, it makes sense that just like someone would say, "I vaxed because the doc said to" others would say, "I didn't because none of the moms I know did."
I totally understand parents of autistic children wanting to know why their child is autistic. But as it stands now, I don't see the vaccine link as being valid and think it probably has way more to do with living in an increasingly toxic world in increasingly toxic bodies than w/ vaxing. At my job, people ask me all the time "What caused my cancer?" and it sucks to have to be like, "Well by and large we don't really know." because an answer, particularly a simple one, can be really helpful. And it also stands to reason that being able to blame something you were told to do because it was the right thing might be easier to deal with because then you don't blame yourself. You know, like "I have cancer because I took a pill my doc and the FDA said was safe, and it wasn't." vs "I have cancer because I smoked even though I knew it wasn't good for me." So, "My kid is autistic because I vaccinated, something the gov and doctors told me I HAD to do and was safe" is probably a lot easier for some parents than, "We will never know why my kid is autistic...could be that cigarette I smoked while preg, could be the chemical cleaners I used, etc etc." The lack of an identifiable cause means that it COULD be you. I hear that with patients all the time too, them running through a list of all the choices they made in life that could've led to that diagnosis.
What do you think of religious exemptions?
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I do think its bogus that the clinic told you that yr medicaid would be jeapordized if you didn't do X, tho.
Religious exemptions...I feel that people should have a right to choose what to do with their bodies. I do think that we live in a bigger community that is put in jeapordy when folks don't vax. I also think that Religious Exemptions are falsely used sometimes. Like if you don't have a religious exemption, don't lie and claim it. What do you think about it?
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So, I wonder if these MDs know something I don't. If they are "encouraging" or misleading patients intentionally?
I don't know, but maybe on the private insurance market, a company could droop a family if they didn't vax? Like it'd be a higher risk group? I'm just guessing that it could be a possiblity, I have no idea.
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Yeah dude, I think people just so often want to find A REASON and will cling onto anything so they have something to blame for the issue. I can understand that to a point, but when there is no evidence to support that claim, it is just frustrating.
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