Comments | reality_hammer: Obama's health care scam makes private insurance illegal

reality_hammer

Obama's health care scam makes private insurance illegal

Jul 16, 2009 13:00

That's right. If you currently have it you can keep it...but no one can ever get a new private policy again. Eventually, when the current generation dies off or becomes covered by a government plan there will no longer be anyone covered by private insurance ( Read more... )

obama administration, socialism, health insurance

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merig00 July 16 2009, 17:11:47 UTC

Actually I don't think that's a correct description from what I gathered they just pulled out a sentence from the middle of the paragraph.

reality_hammer July 16 2009, 17:28:57 UTC

I don't think there is any other way to interpret it. You can only add new dependents, carriers can not change coverage (except to increase it to meet the government standard of "minimum" coverage) and they cannot change their rates.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090619/healthcarereform_discussiondraft.pdf

Amended fasterpssycat July 17 2009, 05:44:52 UTC

OF A BILL IN CONGRESS!!!! You can't pick and choose meaning. Context is irrelevant. This sentence, because of the words they purposefully chose, means what is says. There is no exception after it to alter the meaning in any way that means the government gives you a word in what your options are. Grandfathered in options are chosen by politicians that suckle at the teet of lobbyists that will turn healthcare into what we have seen happen with banking and auto industry. To believe otherwise is to be either a fool or accomplice.

Lies! All Lies! graywalker July 16 2009, 20:31:23 UTC

Thats WRONG ( ... )

Re: Lies! All Lies! reality_hammer July 16 2009, 21:21:15 UTC

Dude, that is exactly what I pointed to as supporting my position.

What part of "the individual insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1" isn't clear?

Insurance companies can not accept anyone if the first date of coverage would be on or after this bill takes effect.

You seem to have missed the part where I posted the URL for the article text....

Re: Lies! All Lies! graywalker July 16 2009, 23:49:19 UTC

Take the blinding panic off for a second... Uhm, what part of "that section is Defining 'Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage'" isn't clear??

As in,

(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering (grandfathered health insurance coverage) does not enroll any individual in (grandfathered health insurance coverage) if the first effective date of (The Changed) (grandfathered health insurance coverage) is on or after the first day of Y1.

Insurance companies can not Enroll anyone new into the Grandfathered health insurance coverage plan if the first date of that coverage would be on or after this bill takes effect. Or they would have to change the plan to fit under the Bill's requirements ( ... )

Re: Lies! All Lies! keross July 17 2009, 00:57:25 UTC

Erm, outsider chiming in here.

My grasp of the English language is reasonably good and my take on the sections being debated is that if you have insurance, great, you can keep it (hope you can hang on to it) but if you don't currently have insurance or lose your insurance after this bill passes you will not have any options. You will have to take the Government Health Insurance, whether or not you want that plan.

Personally, that scares the bejeebers out of me. One more thing for the government to control.

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Just FYI graywalker July 17 2009, 14:09:22 UTC

You are railing against H.R. 3200 - which has needed reform with some questionable item included (but does NOT make Private Health Insurance illegal).

You SHOULD be more concerned with H.R. 676 - which DOES make Private Health Insurance illegal. H.R. 676 establishes Universal Health Care and makes it illegal to 'duplicate' coverage it provides. H.R. 676 has 85 co-sponsors while H.R. 3200 (the more preferable bill) has only 6.

Seems to me, while the pundits are building fury over H.R. 3200, H.R. 676 is going to quietly pass with little or no public notice. Either the Right-Wingnut pundits are suckers or they are distracting you on purpose.

graywolf44 July 19 2009, 16:17:32 UTC

Of course, long before that happens private insurance companies will become insolvent ...

During my brief period of unemployment (back in February), I received an e-mail from a health insurance provider offering me a position with their company as a saleman, with free training, and office space provided by them, etc.

In my response, I declined their kind offer on two points -

1. I am not in any way, shape, or form the "salesman" type (tried that = epic FAIL!);
2. I then asked them why I would even want to go to work for them in the first place, considering that the federal government was going to try to mandate single payer health insurance coverage, and if that came to pass, their company would be going out of business forthwith.

Remember how I said this was back in February? Never did get a reply back ...

sea_sensu_si August 2 2009, 04:38:06 UTC

Please comment on the forced counciling for "End of Life" care for the elderly, and a seperate requirement for individuals on Medicaid/Medicare for inclusion in a 5yr -cycle counciling for preperation for termination of thier lives sooner ( ... )