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Sep 09, 2009 23:28

I found this to be incredibly profound. Thoughts?

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belisarivs September 10 2009, 11:51:19 UTC
Endure all the suffering the world has to offer but willingly accept the necessity of it. I don't know much about Buddhism, but that is a really good summary of Christ.

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raziellus September 10 2009, 19:24:43 UTC
Indeed. I think the dichotomy is quite honest and seeking both leads to clarity. I think he's on the right path.

My real problem with religions is with the faith and supernatural aspects. The language seems to muddy and blend together things that are different, which if done on purpose is deceptive. It's too easy for people to get lost in believing they're "right" instead of seeking honesty and clarity.

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belisarivs September 10 2009, 22:31:41 UTC
A certain amount of boosterism is inherent in all of humanity. Everyone wants to be proud of who and what they are, and as such people will believe in the "rightness" of everything they do. People will support anything because it's their "team" - something that was part of their family, their community, their culture ( ... )

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raziellus September 15 2009, 00:57:07 UTC
Well put. I agree that cultures can be a repository of wisdom that's beyond what a single individual can do. I'm advocating for calling it what it is though. Cultural wisdom is cultural wisdom, not objective truth. The dogma aspect of religions isn't cultural wisdom, it's trying to be something that it's not. It's not objective fact (like saying Adam and Eve are the birth of all humanity instead of evolution, they weren't). But that same honesty applies to science as well. Science studies what is. It can't comment at all on what ought to be, what's good, what's moral, what's beautiful. In that way science can also be dogmatic, if it tries to be something that it's not.

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belisarivs September 15 2009, 01:37:48 UTC
Well, granted, theology isn't science, but I don't think those that advocate young-earth creationism (for the record, I'm an old-earth creationist) are advocating Genesis as science, and are more than willing to embrace science so long as it doesn't lead to a contradiction with theology. In a strictly abstract sense, that's no different than a scientist rejecting a theological position because it contradicts his scientific findings. If the contradiction can't be resolved, it comes down to which matters most to you ( ... )

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raziellus September 26 2009, 18:09:18 UTC
I've listened (audiobook) to Ken Wilber's The Marriage of Sense and Soul. I highly recommend it. His four quadrants, holistic theory, and differentiate/integrate theory have given me the framework I need to begin to address the issue of the different spheres you spoke about above. It's been eye opening and profound for me, it may be of use to you.

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