Discussion of eligible fandoms and rare-ness

[aphrodite_mine]

Blatantly stealing from yuletide's list of ineligible/large fandoms, please discuss below in a separate thread per fandom, any interest and a list of rare women. For example, NSYNC probably has... no women. Rare or not. So, it would be a waste to include it in sign ups!

Comments

Re: Questions/Clarifications

[velvetmouse]

how do you want to handle franchises, like Star Trek? For instance, fic based on the 2009 movie has quite a bit of Janice Rand. she also appears in the original series, but I've seen very little fic for her from that source...

and do you want threads for each trek series separately? :)

Re: Questions/Clarifications

[karrenia_rune]

On the topic of franchises, in this case, like the X-Men would you differentiate between say comic-verse, movie-verse and/or cartoon?

And if you did, since spin-offs such as The New Mutants, and X-Factor Investigations, and X-Force, (I'd be considering the original title, not the Uncanny X-Force title in this case.) etc are still eligible for Yuletide, would those be considered individual fandoms here as well.

Thanks and take care, karrenia

Re: Questions/Clarifications

[jenn_calaelen]

I'm wondering (from looking at the hp on ff.net), if we want an upper cutoff eg if there ara 1,000 stories that feature the woman as a main character, then she is not considered rare?
I know this is well below 20% in some fandoms, but it seems to me that it is hard to call it rare.

Narnia

[tigerbright]

The first to jump to mind are Aramis and Hwin.

Susan and Jane are major characters, but I haven't seen much written about them.

Caspian's wife whose name I've forgotten...

Re: Narnia

[el_staplador]

Caspian's wife is never named in the books; she's always known as 'Ramandu's daughter'. In the films they gave her some Tolkienish name beginning with L.

Re: Narnia

[snacky]

I'd love to see Narnia in this exchange! Although there is lots of fic about Susan, so I'm not sure she'd count as rare.

I think you mean Aravis and Jill, though, since there isn't any major character named Jane in the books.

Re: Narnia

[tigerbright]

Yes, Jill. (My Narnia books are buried.)

[velvetmouse]

(now, with less HTML fail)

probably the easiest way to do this is to pull lists of names from the probably the easiest way to do this is to pull lists of names from the HP Lexicon and then cross out who ISN'T rare...

so to be a little backwards, here's a list of who I would guess should be considered NOT rare:
Ginny
Hermione
McGonagall
Luna
Cho
Narcissa
Susan Bones?
Bellatrix?

[jenn_calaelen]

I haven't seen many stories about Susan Bones? Maybe I've been hanging out in the wrong corners of the fandom.

I'd agree with you that the rest of these aren't rare. :)

[velvetmouse]

yeah that's the problem with HP fandom. it's sooooo big and has so many little corners, that we're probably all going to have different ideas about who's "rare" ;)

Like, I didn't even think about the next gen kids... 'cause I don't particularly like next gen fic, so I don't read it. so I have no clue how much of it is out there...

Star Trek (2009) Reboot

[velvetmouse]

um, again we're kind of speculating based on people we think should exist from TOS canon, but...

Joanna McCoy
T'Pring
any of the un-named women seen on the crew of the Enterprise
Winona Kirk?

Re: Star Trek (2009) Reboot

[igrockspock]

On AO3, there are about 4368 stories for AOS. Below is the list of female characters, followed by the number of stories they are tagged in on AO3.

Amanda Grayson - 125
Christine Chapel - 225
Gaila - 292
Joanna McCoy - 127
Jocelyn McCoy - 45
Mandana (Nero's wife) - 2
Janice Rand - 74
T'Pring - 26
Nyota Uhura - 925
Winona Kirk - 205

If we are going by the 500 stories/20% rule, then all of these women could be described as "rare." Uhura is obviously much more strongly represented in fandom, and I could understand eliminating her from the list of eligible characters. Many others, like Gaila, Amanda, and Winona, probably seem well-represented to those of us who hang out in where_no_woman, but constitute a very small percentage of stories in the overall ST fandom. Five percent of 4368 is 218, so if we used that as a rule, everyone except Gaila, Uhura, and Chapel would be eligible.

Re: Star Trek (2009) Reboot

[igrockspock]

AOS and Reboot are used interchangeably for the 2009 film. Sorry for any confusion :)

Lord Of The Rings (etc)

[jenn_calaelen]

I'm certain Arwen and Eowyn shouldn't count as rare, probably not Galadriel either...

I'm note sure about the rest :)

Re: Lord Of The Rings (etc)

[ladyelleth]

Definitely rare:

Ioreth
Goldberry
Mrs. Maggot
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Shelob
Lothíriel

Probably rare:

Celebrían
Rosie Cotton
Finduilas of Dol Amroth

Should I list Silmarillion characters here as well, or add a separate comment for that, due to the (etc) in the subject line?