Busting out of the internet woodwork cause of the Ashes to Ashes finale.

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I can't help myself, it cause a long and ridiculous rant of theories and speculation and more.

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another reason to disagree with keats = devil: the letters on BBC's A2A website. even keats has to answer to a higher authority. his super, in the letters, was named nick callahan. on-screen, it's the bloke on the phone.

That's true. Although there's been some argument that he could have just been writing letters and making phone calls in order to back up the DNC cover. Also, on the phone he calls the guy "Dave", which I read was Danny Mays improvising and they joked David Bowie was the devil, but I'd argue that even the guy on the phone is just another piece of the hierarchy.

ray is pegged as dying sometime in 1977. the furniture in his flat is very 70s, and a few others noted he seemed to be watching QE2's silver jubilee celebrations (royal connection), which took place between june 6 and 9, 1977, when he hanged himself. some thought he was watching the start of the FA cup final between liverpool and whoever at old wembley (also 1977).

That's awesome, thanks. I just am too American to have pegged that. ;)

chris is the only one whose time of death i can't pin down. i've heard 1960s, but i've also heard 1980s. when did manchester police et al stop using whistles?

That's a really good point, actually. So I googled police whistles and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistle#Police_whistles) says that they generally fell into disuse around 1969, which backs up the 60s theory. Also I'd lean toward that, because even though Chris is more progressive than say Ray, a lot of that is due to the outside influences of Sam and Shaz. And also what kind of guy he is, but he's still pretty clueless without them.

i still think there's something more to shaz. she saw the bowie clown and, after undergoing the event that killed her, went into a coma in the geniverse. just like alex would.

Well Shaz is the only one of them to also be from the future, so that may have something to do with it. And she was always more attuned to these things, she's the first one to have her LOM moment. Definitely interesting though.

personally, i like to think gene aged as he naturally would have had he lived.

Agreed. Furthermore, especially rewatching the scene where he takes over the backup plans from Alex, he wouldn't have had the experience to run a department otherwise, which he clearly has. It WAS interesting to rewatch and see Alex refer to him as "immature" however. That's some serious foreshadowing right there.

(i think all the others underwent the same thing as sam and alex but acclimatized at a faster pace).

See I don't and here's why, frankly, because otherwise you'd have coppers showing up all disoriented every five minutes and nothing would ever get done. I think dead cops don't remember like coma cops do. As evidenced by Glenn Fletcher, who I have to imagine showed up in Manchester CID because he died in the real world.

to sam, although it seemed real to him, he still believed it was in his head. no reason to research.

Were I Sam Tyler, my curiosity would be insatiable. And at that point what was to say he wasn't in a coma AND back in time, for all he knew?

(seven years = seven seconds in 2007?) ... at the start of S3, at 9:06 am, alex breathes her last. at the end of S3, she dies.

The rest of the timing makes sense, but I don't necessary subscribe to the theory that the time in Gene's world is in the seconds as they die, since that would get way too confusing with all the other characters now factored in. Why would the Guv's seconds then be quite so long? Or Chris and Ray's? I think Sam died in the last episode of LOM and Alex died in the first episode of S3, and their time in cop purgatory was their own.

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But you do believe that everyone else except for Alex and Sam have died instantly, you argue that's why they have no memories of the actual lives. They don't have those "seconds", hence they have all the time in the world to resolve their issues.