I also love your icon--definitely one of my favorite moments. "Perfectly."
I'm really digging the discussion here, but unfortunately I can't quite participate yet, for obvious reasons. :) I'm really pleased you guys are enjoying it so much!
As far as Radu's age goes... well, we get three different estimates of that, all of which differ pretty significantly; and based on Ash's caginess about his own age, I think the wise vampire lies and makes itself out as older in an attempt to intimidate and impress. It's also entirely possible that some of the really old ones simply aren't sure, as datekeeping wasn't really a big deal in the dark ages.
That being said, I've always pegged Radu as 700-750ish. The Turkic incursions in that region were pretty bad 1280-1320, so I think it's a fair guess that the Castle Vladislas incident took place somewhere in there. Since one of the backstories we hear indicates that Circe's family was in possession of the castle prior to Mr. Vladislas's arrival, whether it's true or not, I also think it's fair to assume they teamed up around then, with Radu being born shortly thereafter. That doesn't leave a lot of time for Ash to remain under his tutelage, but who's to say he didn't get uppity and make a break for it? They would all have been fairly young and inexperienced at that point.
Of course, this is simply me extrapolating; you can make just about anything you want make sense if you put your mind to it. :) The fly in the ointment there is that, while I haven't exactly scoured the history books, I can't find any evidence at all of Prejnar being a real place, so there's no factual history to borrow from.
Re: TL; DRjaborwhalkyFebruary 28 2008, 11:05:25 UTC
Oh I believe I am going to send you that out line for a prequel fic as there is no way I could do it as well as you could. Its partly a outline based on the little bits of info I could get on what the 5th film was going to be and some other odds and ends.
And of are discussion about Circe's name and her family that the king killed. You ever had the thought that the king took the castle,killed the family and calmed her so he could have everything by law.To get the sword? How else dose one become a king if you don't have some crazy weapon.Then he had his son was power full at that point so when the son was of age passed it on to him.This just goes to show that for a bit Radu was not viewed as the monster by his father but as probably a right hand man or a true prince of the court.It would also explain why Radu is so pissy toward his father who took his woman and his younger brother as everything was fine till he was born.Kinda like the kid who everything is fine and then suddenly dad dumps mom and has her put away and then hooks up with his 20 year old secretory. If Circes family where scholars and in to the Occult that could have been the reason for her name being Greek as they would have had copy's of the old myths and such sitting around as any learned person would.So in short I do believe that Circes is the same one who is Mommy and shes like the way we see her in 2 and 3 because she did not become a vampire but have been keeping her self alive via Alchemy potions and other things.
In 3 mel reading the book I wish there had been more of that but it dose give a good pic of how the past had been.The king took advantage of the youngest girl in the family and bad stuff happened that could be a whole other fic or film in its slef.
I don't know why you won't try your hand at a story; it's obvious that you're bursting with ideas for one! I'll be happy to look at anything you send me, but seriously, you ought to give it a go yourself; it sounds like you've already done most of the hard part.
I actually hadn't thought of Circe being the get of scholars; it does make sense. I do suspect that if there had been some kind of massive witch-war, we'd have learned something of it--that just seems too good a bit of info not to at least refer to--but, hey, maybe they were saving it for V. :)
I'm really digging the discussion here, but unfortunately I can't quite participate yet, for obvious reasons. :) I'm really pleased you guys are enjoying it so much!
As far as Radu's age goes... well, we get three different estimates of that, all of which differ pretty significantly; and based on Ash's caginess about his own age, I think the wise vampire lies and makes itself out as older in an attempt to intimidate and impress. It's also entirely possible that some of the really old ones simply aren't sure, as datekeeping wasn't really a big deal in the dark ages.
That being said, I've always pegged Radu as 700-750ish. The Turkic incursions in that region were pretty bad 1280-1320, so I think it's a fair guess that the Castle Vladislas incident took place somewhere in there. Since one of the backstories we hear indicates that Circe's family was in possession of the castle prior to Mr. Vladislas's arrival, whether it's true or not, I also think it's fair to assume they teamed up around then, with Radu being born shortly thereafter. That doesn't leave a lot of time for Ash to remain under his tutelage, but who's to say he didn't get uppity and make a break for it? They would all have been fairly young and inexperienced at that point.
Of course, this is simply me extrapolating; you can make just about anything you want make sense if you put your mind to it. :) The fly in the ointment there is that, while I haven't exactly scoured the history books, I can't find any evidence at all of Prejnar being a real place, so there's no factual history to borrow from.
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Its partly a outline based on the little bits of info I could get on what the 5th film was going to be and some other odds and ends.
And of are discussion about Circe's name and her family that the king killed.
You ever had the thought that the king took the castle,killed the family and calmed her so he could have everything by law.To get the sword? How else dose one become a king if you don't have some crazy weapon.Then he had his son was power full at that point so when the son was of age passed it on to him.This just goes to show that for a bit Radu was not viewed as the monster by his father but as probably a right hand man or a true prince of the court.It would also explain why Radu is so pissy toward his father who took his woman and his younger brother as everything was fine till he was born.Kinda like the kid who everything is fine and then suddenly dad dumps mom and has her put away and then hooks up with his 20 year old secretory.
If Circes family where scholars and in to the Occult that could have been the reason for her name being Greek as they would have had copy's of the old myths and such sitting around as any learned person would.So in short I do believe that Circes is the same one who is Mommy and shes like the way we see her in 2 and 3 because she did not become a vampire but have been keeping her self alive via Alchemy potions and other things.
In 3 mel reading the book I wish there had been more of that but it dose give a good pic of how the past had been.The king took advantage of the youngest girl in the family and bad stuff happened that could be a whole other fic or film in its slef.
ok I am being a silly nerd now.. will be quite
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I actually hadn't thought of Circe being the get of scholars; it does make sense. I do suspect that if there had been some kind of massive witch-war, we'd have learned something of it--that just seems too good a bit of info not to at least refer to--but, hey, maybe they were saving it for V. :)
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This is why I would love to get my hands on what they where going to do for 5
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