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quinndominion June 15 2014, 08:36:53 UTC
That, of course, depends entirely on the simmer :-)

For myself, aside from a handful of favourites, I never got attached to TS3 sims; the puddings were never quite “people” to me like my TS1 and TS2 pixels so their behaviour read more as mechanistic. And, just thinking out loud here, the game does lend itself to stock characterisation (and situation comedies). So Rich, for example, as “the villain”: is he bad just because he is-in the manner of 'he's got no nice points, what'd you expect!'-or is there a psychological history at work reinforcing the way he makes decisions? Ironically perhaps, it's partly Rich's sense of his own complexity that led him to pigeon-hole Candy as a "pure personality", simple and single-minded in pursuit of her inventive but far less intensive goals. While he certainly isn't responsible for creating all the nooks and crannies in her psyche, he's got no one to blame but himself for forcing them to surface.

I love the idea of Rich as the anti-Pop! That he definitely is. Candy's attraction to the danger that is Rich is one of the things I cut as an explicit reference but is, definitely, an impression I was hoping would still come across. Rich capitalises on that and on her sense of fun; she's more use to him as a playmate than as a prisoner but also getting her “in on it” (without actually becoming privy to anything that might really compromise him) is a way for him to maintain control.

I decided against the vacation hood because I wanted the casino more easily accessible later on so I just loaded up one of the terrains I'd earmarked for neighbouring town/business district and threw the lots in there. I also play ahead so the delay was down to real life interrupting. The most time consuming part is always organising the pictures. Even though this is one of the few that's actually confined to what happened when I played their lot, it was a very busy rotation.

It's also the one I had in mind when I mentioned how Rich is able to control his aggression (which ultimately makes him more dangerous) but Lana isn't. And it's why she might soon be in need of an ally, perhaps particularly one in the Hart household, like Sandy, because Valentine will not be pleased when he learns of this altercation with Candy. Kicking his daughter is bad enough, but kicking her when she's down! Lana can't see it that way since Candy stole her life but this will not go over well.

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ext_2638339 June 19 2014, 01:29:41 UTC
I didn't think hotels would work outside vacation neighborhoods? (If you would at some time like to use Bigg City, or some of the lots in it, as a downtown let me know. I have the infrastructure built and playtested, but the project is stalled out on my not feeling like sorting out the quarrel between my new computer and Any Game Starter. Which is almost as complicated as the sudden quarrel between LJ and all my ID sources.)

If Rich were wise, he would have stayed and observed how Candy played her Pop; but I notice she waited till his back was turned before she started in on it. That would seem to indicate that she's not operating purely on instinct and habit - the first thing I thought when she started in with the sports gestures was "Oh, she's done this before! She knows just how to disarm him!" - but is consciously strategizing under a facade of spontaneity. She needs to manipulate Rich for her own sake and everyone else's, so she doesn't need him to figure out how good she is at it.

Although Candy's mothering style is consistent across games, she has some good solid reasons to neglect Richie in this specific instance, so I'll provisionally give her the benefit. The most obvious one is the same as her reason for not wanting Goldie in the house: if she makes a misstep and displeases Rich, she wants the consequences to fall on her, not on anyone she loves. And Rich is smart enough to know that and to use any affection toward Richie he detects in her against her. The kid's already on thin ice due to the doubt about his parentage. But Candy also presumably figured out back when Goldie was a toddler that caretaking precedes love - so if he looks after the baby, logically, he will love it. She needs him to be invested in Richie, and to believe that she is less invested than he is, to give the kid his best shot.

Of course, she saw Rich throw Junior out; but her own experience might well lead her to rely on the strength of paternal love anyway, just as seeing a plane take flight doesn't cause us to lose faith in gravity. She might also reason that her kid is bound to be superior to Lana's and will grow up to make him proud rather than contemptuous. (It's only logical!) Or maybe Rich will kick off before he has a chance to be disappointed. But if she's hoping handling the baby will mellow him out, rub off the extreme edges and keep him at the level of danger she likes rather than going overboard with the locking up and baby-threatening and stuff - I'm afraid she's in for disillusionment. But I can't deny it's worth a shot.

As for Lana - oh, dear. If she ever figures out that Valentine turning cold to her is down to women who are more important to him than she is, that will hit her right where she lives! I'm afraid she's not likely to draw the moral "I should be nicer to women" from it, either! I ought to feel more sympathetic to Lana - after all, the great love of her life traded her in for a younger model - but she is so selfish, even where she does love, that I'm not making progress. She needs to stop relying on manipulating men into giving her what she wants, and learn to act directly. But I'm afraid the satisfaction of successful manipulation is part of what she wants.

It looks like Valentine will wind up being faithful to Daytona by default from here forward. Take all the fertile women off the menu, that only leaves Beulah, Daytona, Lana, and Dora. Lana's out on two counts now. I doubt Beulah was ever on that menu - even if she didn't have a triple-bolt husband and a strict moral code, she'd still be Mary's mother, so squick, plus he is visibly sick of hurting Mary! He probably could land Dora if he exerted himself, but that'd be stupid, given who he'd be competing with.

Though I suddenly think that Val, judiciously used, makes a reasonable goad for Dora to bring Skye up to snuff with...that'd all be from her end, though. I can't see Valentine risking his Una time to take any active part in such a thing. So it looks like, until and unless some gray-haired groupies start finding their way into the Dugout, Daytona's got the field to herself. Which would mean that at least one person can take satisfaction in the events of this update, though she doesn't know it.

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quinndominion June 21 2014, 22:33:27 UTC
Yep, they work outside vacation hoods (with Inge's financial system you can even own them, I believe Haven't tried that yet but I had plans to introduce a new character and an owned B&B that got scrapped, maybe next round). I've got regular hotels and motels strewn about in other hoods; the bellhop and maid spawn and you can check into a room or rooms and will be charged, no problem. But in Widespot it was different, the hotel part worked but no one else showed up. I think it's probably a function of population as they definitely do elsewhere. I'm not sure if tourists occasionally take over the other rooms or not but I know townies/downtownies/playables definitely mill about the lot and they didn't here. It worked out because I didn't want any of the residents or truckers hanging around so I teleported in some of my standby townies (and randomly spawned some others for the non-casino scenes, meaning they almost certainly won't look the same whenever they next appear-save perhaps the two sisters of mercy, or as Rich may have influenced them to become, the sisters of mercenary mercy, oh and Peach Treason who was created on purpose and currently hovers between playable and townie status depending on whether Rich decides to hire a monitor/live-in maid for Candy).

Rich took a calculated risk leaving Candy alone with her family, except of course that she'd been rehearsed already. Not the words, he didn't feed her lines, because being or seeming like her own was part of the point. And he didn't bring her back until he was convinced that she had internalised “the rules” as it were, enough to police herself. Rich isn't likely to feel threatened by a Hart, not even when his face connected with Valentine's fist (the bat would've been another issue) but he doesn't want them taking too pointed an interest in his affairs. It must appear that Candy chose him freely and that, on the whole, she didn't make a bad choice. He was impressed by how easily the lie came to her lips, which might later come back to bite her, but that was Candy's calculated risk.

Richie's not in the worst position; if I'm remembering right I think his personality spread puts him into the overachiever category or on the cusp, enough for Rich to take him in hand and mold himself a son. So long as Candy continues to 'resist impregnation', which will reflect poorly on Rich's barely acknowledged worries about his diminished virility, Richie's place is that much more secure if Rich becomes inclined to embrace him as proof against any notion of impotence. It is possible, just possible, that Rich might end up psyching himself out. And, for all intents and purposes, he is Richie's father, even in the family tree, because he adopted him.

Lana, ah, Lana. It's hard to feel sympathy for her but, on the other hand, she didn't cause any of the trouble that led to her new circumstances. That's probably what smarts most of all, she didn't even have any of the fun! She was loyal to Rich but she's the one who was expendable to him. If it hadn't happened, she'd never have believed it possible. On the Valentine front she will lose again and even her back-up “beau”, Rich's “head contractor” not only isn't terribly interested but is more interested in Sandy! A lot more, but none of this is prompting her toward learning any lesson. Plans may not pan out in gameplay but I do have some ideas for Lana...

As for grey-haired groupies, I originally thought perhaps Riverblossom would become the business district someday and while I nixed that idea it's been in the back of my mind to extract Catherine Viejo and Betty Goldstein (and probably their departed friend, Andrew's mother-I can't remember her name even though she's alive and well in my uberhood), making them slightly younger and out for a good time. There's also another single elderly lady (or two) that I'll probably introduce soon, she for the B&B, so Val will have options. Daytona won't be in the clear. As for Dora, I will say that she is attracted to Valentine, and it hasn't escaped her notice that Skye's a mite jealous of him but it's a fine line to walk between arousing him without also arousing insecurities about his inexperience, especially if she were to use Valentine Hart as ammunition.

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Character limits quinndominion June 22 2014, 02:54:33 UTC
Oh hell, I came up against LJ character limits again so I'm not going to try an edit but I didn't see that I cut the first bit. I'd love to have Bigg City on hand! I don't know when a downtown will be unlocked but I am going to modify the rules; with my shorter rounds and taxes scaled down to accommodate them it'd just take forever to get to half a million simoleons or whatever it is. But whenever they're ready, no longer being an insular community will definitely shift the dynamics.

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Re: Character limits ext_2638339 June 22 2014, 14:42:15 UTC
Yeah, way too early for a downtown, both under BACC rules and in terms of the story. If escape is easy, the pressure lets up. Send me an e-mail address (mine is penigriffin@gmail.com) and I'll get AGS working so I can make sure the infrastructure-only version has all the final edits on the buildings and send it to you in the near future, so you have plenty of time to figure out what you want to change for use. It's BG+NL only, so has some of the same sketchy quality as the original Widespot infrastructure. Or I could send you a version populated with sims intended for the graveyards, which I know has the updated infrastructure because I was using the graveyard-bait to test the rebuilds. You can always kill them yourself or turn them into townies. (But one is a full alien, noseless and bug-eyed.)

I'm trying to sympathize with Lana. I am. It's just not working! Laying out the bare bones of her situation, it's a sad one, whatever bad things she may be assumed to have done - but the moment she herself enters the picture I lose it. That makes her more interesting, though. And of course she's pivotal for Junior. At the moment, he benefits more than he's torn by his position as buffer between his wife and mother - but at some point, they will come into conflict in a way he can't not notice (despite his supreme capacity to not notice things) and should not ignore. And that's when we'll find out who he really is.

It wouldn't be surprising if Dora, for all her obvious experience and people-savvy, made some serious missteps with Skye, based on her reasonable but false assumptions. She has no idea of the depths of his inexperience, after all! She thinks he fathered Penny and Woody "the conventional way," which means there is or was a mother somewhere, which is obviously too painful to talk about for some reason and may be behind his present state of hard-to-get. A lot depends on what she deduces happened there. Her logical course is to milk Penny (too hard to make Woody talk), who presumably is an old hand at deflection on this topic. If Penny's cover story implies an affair, using Val to try to make him jealous would be far too risky; but if it implies that her mother is dead, she might decide some competition would be good for him. (And potentially fun for her.)

I doubt Candy's worried about her lies to her family coming back to bite her. Worst comes to worst, they won't bite her so hard she can't bear it. The Harts screwed up a lot as parents, judging by results; but they did Unconditional Love right. Look at her in the casino, considering calling Pop because he'd find her regardless; deciding against it because rescue isn't safe (for him; the risks, to herself, of escape she considers acceptable). Whatever the aftermath of the Hot Tub Dome Scandal did to their relationship, however much fussing he does about j-o-bs and responsibility and stuff, however much he yells at Rhett or scolds her, Home will always be there. A nice safe background for exciting danger games, and something to protect when the line from game to all-too-real gets crossed.

Rich's love, of course, is nothing but conditional. Her only advantage, and I hope she's got a good grip on it, is that she understands him better than he understands her. He has always relied on other people being nicer than him, and probably seldom been disappointed. Val wasn't really going to use the bat, which constitutes lethal force given the power he can presumably put into a swing, as long as he didn't see an imminent physical threat to Candy, so Rich could afford to take the hit. (I wonder what he thinks happened at the Hot Tub Dome?) Candy's already considered opportunistically killing Rich once, and dismissed the possibility, first as too risky and second as farther than she's willing to go. But Rich could change both those conditions, which he now takes for granted. He thinks he has her sussed. I don't think he does.

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Re: Character limits quinndominion June 22 2014, 21:07:32 UTC
Ooh, populated. Yes, please. The city will need denizens, after all. I've just shot you an email.

Lana was ambitious and more or less in sync with Rich but she loved their son and had no reason whatsoever not to show it (in her way) and Rich certainly did come to use that against her. I don't know if Candy could consciously sustain a program of motherly indifference if it were against her nature; if her heart ached to hug her baby to her she'd hug him, but so far Candy doesn't ever even accidentally bond with the baby. There's a mini-scene I couldn't work back around to, though I wanted to show Richie Rich in his new, settled-in duds. Rich has placed the baby's bouncy facing exactly where Candy is to be found most often, in front of the tv, and he's bouncing up and down, riveted to Candy, and she looks back at him like “what do you want from me, kid? I've done my best to save your neck, the rest is up to you.” Doomsday comes along to watch tv and when Candy finally gets up it's to autonomously play with the cat-although that could be interpreted as a re-direction so that she doesn't get caught up even when Rich isn't around. I am so intrigued to see how Richie grows up and processes this family he's been born into, especially if he or anyone ever learns that his brother is his biological father, a revelation that might come sooner or later depending on how he looks.

Candy can't be honestly surprised that her Pop was willing to go to bat for her, they've been here before. And Val firmly believes that you don't make a threat you aren't, at least, willing to fulfil, which is also why you don't pick up a weapon unless you know how to wield it. Hence his line that Rhett didn't cook. Val knew exactly what his could do and what he could do with it, Rhett simply grabbed the first thing he found but he didn't even have a rudimentary familiarity with it so in a real scuffle not only would he most likely lose the upper hand but the weapon he introduced to the mêlée would be there to be turned against him! Candy knew that much, she left that shard of glass right where it was because she also knew her enemy. The Hart kids led a privileged existence so Rhett is forgiven for being more naïve than he realises. Candy's got more real-world experience because she went looking for it but it could be precisely because she wasn't embedded in “the real world” that her teenage self had no way of sifting out what was “real” and exciting and what was just plain wrong. She spent her life around adults, a certain class of adults, and emulating their excesses was a disaster waiting to happen.

The problem is that even her parents kind of took her at face value, she seemed fine, she could charm the pants off of their friends...they just didn't expect her (or anyone in their circle) to make that so literal, but they forgot to tell her not to. I don't doubt that Angel worked in some serious mother-daughter talks but she was more inclined to honour her daughter's budding sexuality and in her determination to ward off any sense of shame (like she probably grew up defending against) she neglected to reinforce a sense of boundaries. Protecting Goldie is kind of like the Hart family code but another layer for Candy is the fact that she wasn't protected (from) herself. However, she doesn't blame either of her parents, (Val's guilt is between him and his conscience); mostly because her past to her was only maybe a mistake-all that stuff with her Pop and the press, she regrets that stuff, but not necessarily what she did...maybe where she did it. Anyway (to her mind) Goldie's different. She knows now that Goldie has got her first boyfriend (a proper boyfriend, like she likely never had) but Candy is bound to be a little hurt if she learns that when it comes to David she's not who her little sister is inclined to turn to for advice.

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Re: Character limits ext_2638339 June 23 2014, 15:10:13 UTC
It is amazing how much younger our kid siblings are at 16 than we were at the same age, isn't it? (And our children, nieces, nephews, students - whoosh! They're babies!) Something that probably hasn't occurred to Candy, and won't hit Goldie till she sees her sister, is that her running off without a word will have changed their relationship quite a bit. Goldie was the one agitating to go out actively looking for her, who knew something was wrong. Having Candy turn up playing like everything is fine won't sit well, whether or not Goldie buys the act, especially in light of the contrast between the older kids' perennial freedom to make mistakes and the way everybody shelters Goldie.

Who would Goldie turn to for advice about David, if not Candy, though? Pop's too overprotective, it's hard to picture Rhett providing anything but bad relationship advice, Mary's avoiding the house, Mama's dead, and she has no friends her own age. That just leaves Junior, which is hard to picture. Perhaps we'll find out in the upcoming Ottomas update.

Yeah, Candy has the maternal instinct of a sea turtle. The egg got buried, the ocean's right there, she did her job! Which is another reason for her to want Rich to bond with Richie - the more satisfied he is with the son he's got, the less insistent he'll be about her producing another one. It is a shame you couldn't fit in the bit with Richie and Doomsday - maybe it can still find a place. It's awful when you've got something, perfect in itself, that doesn't fit anywhere.

I wonder how Junior'll react to finding out that even his name's been co-opted. And what the knock-on effect of the screwed-up-ness of his relationship with his parents will be on his relationship with the twins. Plus he's the only person anywhere who actually owes Lana loyalty, but she can no more be trusted with it than Rich can. So far he's been able to ignore the tension between the women in his house. The moment it escalates past that point will be his defining one.

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