At the end I did it. cuz the last days I'm stuck in my work and studies and everything:((( OK here you are:
I didn't know that the US put down as civilized at least in our media (it's due to old good propaganda probably - the remnant of soviet era), although I was told at school (especially before 91-92) that all americans are barbarians and the stuff like that I don't believe in it. I have some friends in america among the students of the top unis and they're not the way you put it. Actually (my own opinion) it's impossible to generalize the country as one entity (there're many minorities, and people can be good or bad, civilized or not, whatever everywhere in the world. cuz the human nature is the same everywhere) Yeah civilized is very relative but I've just put there Ataturk's expression and as i believe he meant the civilization as the synonym of europeanization.
pps: probably u a right, but with the time moving faster and faster one can never guess what will happen tomorrow (9/11 case)
pppps: the problem's who will pay the bill. Now the main donations come from France, Germany, Netherlands. but with all these recent budget deficits... who knows if they agree to spend more money pppppps: yes, but sometimes loneliness is something we're seek for. Flori, why don't you ever post in lj yourself??? cuz it seems you have so much to tell
Americans are put down as civilized in the media here, which means in the Netherlands and surrounding (a bit an exception: France). I didn't want to generalize the country as one entity. In fact I wanted to point out if you all the time hear that 'they' are great, the best, free people (propaganda of course)then the example from the airport shows painfully the other side. It shows the relativity. I agree with you that the human nature is the same everywhere. Anyway, people are in my opinion more or less coloured by the society where they live in, their backgrounds, the people they meet and, not unimportant, what they choose for.
PPS: If you saw the world 15 years ago it's hard to imagine how it will be in 15 years. Can be everything. ---- I was thinking but the EU already has many kilometers of border now with Russia (Finland, Estonia, Latvia - and Lithuania and Poland as well, with Kaliningrad).
PPPPS: that's something to think about. It depends a lot on in which direction this all the time faster moving goes.
PPPPPPS: Right, another part of the human beings....
My LJ I just created after I came by accident through Loesje Russia at your LJ. I will put some things there soon. This Wednesday I am going with a friend to Serbia (invited for a wedding party :))) and maybe that will bring me some inspiration for the LJ! Btw, last Tuesday I visited Loesje here in the Netherlands, it was fun with them, maybe there will be some cooperation between Loesje and Latisana (and other organizations). They have some creative plans and I as well, so let's see what will be.....
"Anyway, people are in my opinion more or less coloured by the society where they live in, their backgrounds, the people they meet and, not unimportant, what they choose for". - 100% agree))) so human being are all the same but with different background) As for EU&Russia - earlier I was positive about Russia entering EU some time let it e.g. in 50 years or more. but now with mr. putin as a president ( and the strengthening of the government's interference in the private life, business whatever... ) and considering all the history (like tendency to dominate, to conduct rather agressive foreign policy not only in XX but through the ages also)so I don't think the EU will really extend further then russian boarder:)))
btw: LJ was invented by americans. and still in the lj community most users are americans, then, a lot of russians. but it's not so popular among europeans, don't know why.
Loesje visit! that's super! i think the project can be great. when two creative mides come together))) I wish I'd take a part in the project too)))
Serbia's a country I dream to visit one day. For a long time every summer I was telling myself: I'll definetly go to Serbia and ex-Ugoslavia region soon. But still I never did...)))
OK here you are:
I didn't know that the US put down as civilized at least in our media (it's due to old good propaganda probably - the remnant of soviet era), although I was told at school (especially before 91-92) that all americans are barbarians and the stuff like that I don't believe in it. I have some friends in america among the students of the top unis and they're not the way you put it. Actually (my own opinion) it's impossible to generalize the country as one entity (there're many minorities, and people can be good or bad, civilized or not, whatever everywhere in the world. cuz the human nature is the same everywhere)
Yeah civilized is very relative but I've just put there Ataturk's expression and as i believe he meant the civilization as the synonym of europeanization.
pps: probably u a right, but with the time moving faster and faster one can never guess what will happen tomorrow (9/11 case)
pppps: the problem's who will pay the bill. Now the main donations come from France, Germany, Netherlands. but with all these recent budget deficits... who knows if they agree to spend more money
pppppps: yes, but sometimes loneliness is something we're seek for.
Flori, why don't you ever post in lj yourself??? cuz it seems you have so much to tell
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PPS: If you saw the world 15 years ago it's hard to imagine how it will be in 15 years. Can be everything. ---- I was thinking but the EU already has many kilometers of border now with Russia (Finland, Estonia, Latvia - and Lithuania and Poland as well, with Kaliningrad).
PPPPS: that's something to think about. It depends a lot on in which direction this all the time faster moving goes.
PPPPPPS: Right, another part of the human beings....
My LJ I just created after I came by accident through Loesje Russia at your LJ. I will put some things there soon. This Wednesday I am going with a friend to Serbia (invited for a wedding party :))) and maybe that will bring me some inspiration for the LJ! Btw, last Tuesday I visited Loesje here in the Netherlands, it was fun with them, maybe there will be some cooperation between Loesje and Latisana (and other organizations). They have some creative plans and I as well, so let's see what will be.....
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As for EU&Russia - earlier I was positive about Russia entering EU some time let it e.g. in 50 years or more. but now with mr. putin as a president ( and the strengthening of the government's interference in the private life, business whatever... ) and considering all the history (like tendency to dominate, to conduct rather agressive foreign policy not only in XX but through the ages also)so I don't think the EU will really extend further then russian boarder:)))
btw: LJ was invented by americans. and still in the lj community most users are americans, then, a lot of russians. but it's not so popular among europeans, don't know why.
Loesje visit! that's super! i think the project can be great. when two creative mides come together))) I wish I'd take a part in the project too)))
Serbia's a country I dream to visit one day. For a long time every summer I was telling myself: I'll definetly go to Serbia and ex-Ugoslavia region soon. But still I never did...)))
Waiting for your posts:)))
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