Wake up and smell the hypocrisy!
A funny thing happened to me at this site. I posted the following entry twice. It was deleted. Twice. Apparently when they said, "We respect everyone's views here and welcome them," they were overstating things just a tad.
So I now have a post without a proper home. Oh, hold the phone, chica lalas! I can post it here. Silly me. I just really want to see my post on the internet, seeing that I'd taken the time to put all those pesky html tags in there.
The post? Oh, yeah. Here it is:
*****
I have posted on the JMBB regularly for the last six months. I have interacted with the ladies you named in your post. I was present for most of the chat you linked, and I am familiar with the threads you posted.
Your three “Facts”:
Re Fact #1 - You present as “fact” what is actually your opinion, for it is only your opinion that the eight ladies you named are ‘putrid gossipmongers’. Had you confined your fact to stating that they were ‘gossipmongers’...
Stating that they are putrid? That’s just your opinion. That said, thank you for retracting your opinion in regards to Farrah.
Re Fact #2 - It is absurd to say that “the board is divided between the chickenshit members who are afraid of the “vets” and the ass-kissing members who want so badly to belong that they’re willing to sell their first born child for it, not to mention their common sense and integrity,” and then present as fact: “Most ladies in the board are nice.”
Unless it was your intent to say that cowards and stupid, dishonorable sycophants can also be nice ladies. On second thought, I suppose they can be for some people.
Re Fact #3 - This could be a fact. If you say you’ve seen blue-ribboned hogs smaller than Di, then you probably have. After all, why would you lie about something like that? I myself have never met Di in person, so I cannot affirm or deny your statement. Not to mention, I’ve never actually seen a hog. Wait, I watched Babe. I may have seen a hog. I’m not sure.
Bren
You think it was fair to make Bren’s PRIVATE e-mails to you public because you believe she not only shared your e-mails with the entire board, but she did so to make fun of Harlot and to continue the bashing and trashing of Harlot.
In the first place, I am part of the ‘entire (JMB) board’. Bren never shared any of your e-mails with me - not one. I guess it’s possible she shared them with her close friends, but she did not share them with the entire board in a forum open to the public (like this blog).
In the second place, you can’t know Bren’s reasons and mindset if she did share any of your e-mails with others. At the very least, VT can discern what it is you are qualified to ‘testify’ about and what would constitute speculation on your part.
Di
You asked: Oh and BTW, Di, you mentioned Katrina. If you were so worried about the victims, and thought that Kaddison was being a heartless bitch and should have used her time better, why didn’t YOU? ... why didn’t you drag that lard ass of yours out of that chair and used it for something worthwhile?
I will grant for the sake of this discussion that you were sincerely asking if Di did anything. Further, I will answer since no one has as of this posting.
Di did, in fact, do something worthwhile. She sent several boxes of clothes, food, shoes and toys among other things. She also helped her husband - a member of NY’s Bravest - in his department’s organized effort to provide necessities to some of the victims of Katrina.
To imply that she did nothing is irresponsible at best and malicious at worst.
BEAUTY AND THE “VETS”
Given that there is a whole other side to this, I finally found something in your post that I agree with: ‘...trashy words and dirty words are all the rage.’
I wish it weren’t so. I would love a kinder, gentler world. Wouldn’t you?
Wendy Sue
Failing to find anything of substance to criticize her for, you resort to:
1. Making fun of her name (a lovely name for a lovely person);
2. Repeating yourself by bringing up a metaphor she’d used;
3. Posting facetious statements she’d made, out of context, in an attempt to make her seem stupid; (I will refrain from accusing you of advocating violence against her, because I doubt you actually meant someone should whip her, or anyone you deem stupid.)
4. Mentioning a story she’d said in a private chat where she, like most of us, had a reasonable expectation of privacy. You won’t find a thread regarding her honeymoon story - she did not post that in a thread in a public forum.
Niki
I’m not quite following how being a cheater (assuming without conceding that Niki did) would make someone the Whore of Babylon. You are referring to the Whore of Babylon who is an allegorical figure of supreme evil mentioned in the Bible, right? I’m thinking it must be a different Whore of Babylon.
Shannon
Once again, I don’t see how you can know whether or not Shannon wanted Judith to beg for forgiveness or beg her to stay. And how did Shannon humiliate herself? Was it when she said she couldn’t take the negativity anymore, but stayed anyway? Maybe she had more reasons to stay than to go.
When she’d posted the entry you quoted, she was clearly very hurt - and whether or not we agree with her reasons for being hurt, it doesn’t change how she felt.
She expressed her hurt, you ‘whipped’ tears from your eyes, and you call her ‘dumb and cruel’?
And for those who don’t know, this was Judith’s response, verbatim: “Shannon, I will miss you so much if you leave, and this board will suffer as well.”
I think both are reasons enough to stay.
EBYT Book Raffle
I think I’ll follow your format and present facts, albeit my facts are, you know, factual:
Fact: Jezebel won the raffle.
Fact: Judith did not give her the ARC. At Jezebel’s request, Judith sent her a signed copy of Whitney, My Love instead.
Fact: No vet required admission to a resting home or looney bin because Jezebel had won.
Some posters felt it was unfair that some people joined the JMBB for the sole purpose of winning a raffle that Judith had intended for USA Dreadnaughts.
Some posters thought it was fair.
Judith came up with her own rules when she re-raffled (it’s so, too, a verb!) the copy Jezebel had won, plus a second a copy of EBYT. Judith, as is her prerogative, improvised rules that gave posters with more posts, more chances of winning.
Comments
In your subsequent comments, VT, you asked us to “just look at the number of people who have commented, 99% of them saying that similar things to this had happened to them there.”
It is true, based on the 50 comments I have seen thus far - not quite 99%, but I won’t quibble over a couple of percentage points when I think it’s a skewed sampling anyway. Not that I doubt the veracity of what was said, but for every person who posted that it had happened to them, I’m positive there is a poster who can honestly say it didn’t happen to them.
Bawdy Babe said, …whats [sic] going to be funnier (is) how they are going to be laughed out of a lawyers [sic] office. Truth is not libel/slander worthy. And if they did get a lawyer, who is going to pay for it? And we are an international blog. Are they going to hire 4 lawyers for each country represented on this blog?
Besides Evil Troll Di doesn't scare me or anyone else on this blog.
If they want to sue, go for it. One of us bitches btw, is a [sic] international lawyer.”
No, truth is not libel/slander worthy. LOL! More to the point, truth is an absolute defense. Now that cooler heads have prevailed, I don’t know if anyone will get a lawyer. But if they chose to, I have no doubt they can find one who wouldn’t laugh.
Here (quoted from EFF, under Fair Use) are the elements of a defamation claim:
1. a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2. a false statement of fact;
3. that is understood as
a. being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
b. tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
I see a valid cause of action, but that’s just me.
And finally…
I wish I could say I’ve learned something from this tasteless ordeal, but alas, no. Perhaps, after this post these “ladies” will learn something about humility, though I honestly doubt it. It seems to me, some of these women are bitter outcasts, shunned from polite society, and the only way they can feel good about themselves is by humiliating others…
I am sorry that you learned nothing from the past events. I know I have.
I am puzzled by why you would think your post would teach anyone humility. I reread your post but failed to find any lesson, illustration or example of the quality of being humble.
Perhaps your intent was to humiliate them? And in that, perhaps you did not fail.
Yet in so doing, you exhibit the very same traits you so vociferously condemn in others: You call them names. You humiliate them. You belittle them.
Who then is the hypocrite?
So I now have a post without a proper home. Oh, hold the phone, chica lalas! I can post it here. Silly me. I just really want to see my post on the internet, seeing that I'd taken the time to put all those pesky html tags in there.
The post? Oh, yeah. Here it is:
*****
I have posted on the JMBB regularly for the last six months. I have interacted with the ladies you named in your post. I was present for most of the chat you linked, and I am familiar with the threads you posted.
Your three “Facts”:
Re Fact #1 - You present as “fact” what is actually your opinion, for it is only your opinion that the eight ladies you named are ‘putrid gossipmongers’. Had you confined your fact to stating that they were ‘gossipmongers’...
Stating that they are putrid? That’s just your opinion. That said, thank you for retracting your opinion in regards to Farrah.
Re Fact #2 - It is absurd to say that “the board is divided between the chickenshit members who are afraid of the “vets” and the ass-kissing members who want so badly to belong that they’re willing to sell their first born child for it, not to mention their common sense and integrity,” and then present as fact: “Most ladies in the board are nice.”
Unless it was your intent to say that cowards and stupid, dishonorable sycophants can also be nice ladies. On second thought, I suppose they can be for some people.
Re Fact #3 - This could be a fact. If you say you’ve seen blue-ribboned hogs smaller than Di, then you probably have. After all, why would you lie about something like that? I myself have never met Di in person, so I cannot affirm or deny your statement. Not to mention, I’ve never actually seen a hog. Wait, I watched Babe. I may have seen a hog. I’m not sure.
Bren
You think it was fair to make Bren’s PRIVATE e-mails to you public because you believe she not only shared your e-mails with the entire board, but she did so to make fun of Harlot and to continue the bashing and trashing of Harlot.
In the first place, I am part of the ‘entire (JMB) board’. Bren never shared any of your e-mails with me - not one. I guess it’s possible she shared them with her close friends, but she did not share them with the entire board in a forum open to the public (like this blog).
In the second place, you can’t know Bren’s reasons and mindset if she did share any of your e-mails with others. At the very least, VT can discern what it is you are qualified to ‘testify’ about and what would constitute speculation on your part.
Di
You asked: Oh and BTW, Di, you mentioned Katrina. If you were so worried about the victims, and thought that Kaddison was being a heartless bitch and should have used her time better, why didn’t YOU? ... why didn’t you drag that lard ass of yours out of that chair and used it for something worthwhile?
I will grant for the sake of this discussion that you were sincerely asking if Di did anything. Further, I will answer since no one has as of this posting.
Di did, in fact, do something worthwhile. She sent several boxes of clothes, food, shoes and toys among other things. She also helped her husband - a member of NY’s Bravest - in his department’s organized effort to provide necessities to some of the victims of Katrina.
To imply that she did nothing is irresponsible at best and malicious at worst.
BEAUTY AND THE “VETS”
Given that there is a whole other side to this, I finally found something in your post that I agree with: ‘...trashy words and dirty words are all the rage.’
I wish it weren’t so. I would love a kinder, gentler world. Wouldn’t you?
Wendy Sue
Failing to find anything of substance to criticize her for, you resort to:
1. Making fun of her name (a lovely name for a lovely person);
2. Repeating yourself by bringing up a metaphor she’d used;
3. Posting facetious statements she’d made, out of context, in an attempt to make her seem stupid; (I will refrain from accusing you of advocating violence against her, because I doubt you actually meant someone should whip her, or anyone you deem stupid.)
4. Mentioning a story she’d said in a private chat where she, like most of us, had a reasonable expectation of privacy. You won’t find a thread regarding her honeymoon story - she did not post that in a thread in a public forum.
Niki
I’m not quite following how being a cheater (assuming without conceding that Niki did) would make someone the Whore of Babylon. You are referring to the Whore of Babylon who is an allegorical figure of supreme evil mentioned in the Bible, right? I’m thinking it must be a different Whore of Babylon.
Shannon
Once again, I don’t see how you can know whether or not Shannon wanted Judith to beg for forgiveness or beg her to stay. And how did Shannon humiliate herself? Was it when she said she couldn’t take the negativity anymore, but stayed anyway? Maybe she had more reasons to stay than to go.
When she’d posted the entry you quoted, she was clearly very hurt - and whether or not we agree with her reasons for being hurt, it doesn’t change how she felt.
She expressed her hurt, you ‘whipped’ tears from your eyes, and you call her ‘dumb and cruel’?
And for those who don’t know, this was Judith’s response, verbatim: “Shannon, I will miss you so much if you leave, and this board will suffer as well.”
I think both are reasons enough to stay.
EBYT Book Raffle
I think I’ll follow your format and present facts, albeit my facts are, you know, factual:
Fact: Jezebel won the raffle.
Fact: Judith did not give her the ARC. At Jezebel’s request, Judith sent her a signed copy of Whitney, My Love instead.
Fact: No vet required admission to a resting home or looney bin because Jezebel had won.
Some posters felt it was unfair that some people joined the JMBB for the sole purpose of winning a raffle that Judith had intended for USA Dreadnaughts.
Some posters thought it was fair.
Judith came up with her own rules when she re-raffled (it’s so, too, a verb!) the copy Jezebel had won, plus a second a copy of EBYT. Judith, as is her prerogative, improvised rules that gave posters with more posts, more chances of winning.
Comments
In your subsequent comments, VT, you asked us to “just look at the number of people who have commented, 99% of them saying that similar things to this had happened to them there.”
It is true, based on the 50 comments I have seen thus far - not quite 99%, but I won’t quibble over a couple of percentage points when I think it’s a skewed sampling anyway. Not that I doubt the veracity of what was said, but for every person who posted that it had happened to them, I’m positive there is a poster who can honestly say it didn’t happen to them.
Bawdy Babe said, …whats [sic] going to be funnier (is) how they are going to be laughed out of a lawyers [sic] office. Truth is not libel/slander worthy. And if they did get a lawyer, who is going to pay for it? And we are an international blog. Are they going to hire 4 lawyers for each country represented on this blog?
Besides Evil Troll Di doesn't scare me or anyone else on this blog.
If they want to sue, go for it. One of us bitches btw, is a [sic] international lawyer.”
No, truth is not libel/slander worthy. LOL! More to the point, truth is an absolute defense. Now that cooler heads have prevailed, I don’t know if anyone will get a lawyer. But if they chose to, I have no doubt they can find one who wouldn’t laugh.
Here (quoted from EFF, under Fair Use) are the elements of a defamation claim:
1. a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2. a false statement of fact;
3. that is understood as
a. being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
b. tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
I see a valid cause of action, but that’s just me.
And finally…
I wish I could say I’ve learned something from this tasteless ordeal, but alas, no. Perhaps, after this post these “ladies” will learn something about humility, though I honestly doubt it. It seems to me, some of these women are bitter outcasts, shunned from polite society, and the only way they can feel good about themselves is by humiliating others…
I am sorry that you learned nothing from the past events. I know I have.
I am puzzled by why you would think your post would teach anyone humility. I reread your post but failed to find any lesson, illustration or example of the quality of being humble.
Perhaps your intent was to humiliate them? And in that, perhaps you did not fail.
Yet in so doing, you exhibit the very same traits you so vociferously condemn in others: You call them names. You humiliate them. You belittle them.
Who then is the hypocrite?