For me it was more Whale is Cabal - the blonde hair, the buttons, the high collar, the love of science.
Oh yeah, visually, and portrayal-wise, very much so. The glasses and the Gladstone bag, too. And the being a manipulative bastard.
My first reaction was more along the lines of, "Regina is keeping her true love in a glass coffin with plans to resurrect him and she completely freezes herself over in the pursuit of that."
EDIT: Side note, this is the only example of "Boy in Refrigerator" I can think of.
First, I HAAAAATED the magic > than science arc. Secondly, magic≠ drugs, okay? ESPECIALLY not in this universe.
I really hated that, too. There's a seriously bad message there - if magic is like a drug, and science is like magic but wimpier, then science is bad. Which wouldn't be as problematic if I wasn't thinking about the audience Once is targeting - magic doesn't exist, science does. It's not like it's some strange mythical practice, it's the foundation of modern society. It was a totally unnecessary alienation.
My first reaction was more along the lines of, "Regina is keeping her true love in a glass coffin with plans to resurrect him and she completely freezes herself over in the pursuit of that."
EDIT: Side note, this is the only example of "Boy in Refrigerator" I can think of.
*nods*
That is one of the many things about Regina's arc that I really adore - that her BF died to give HER angst and character development.
I really hated that, too. There's a seriously bad message there - if magic is like a drug, and science is like magic but wimpier, then science is bad. Which wouldn't be as problematic if I wasn't thinking about the audience Once is targeting - magic doesn't exist, science does. It's not like it's some strange mythical practice, it's the foundation of modern society. It was a totally unnecessary alienation.
First of all, magic as a metaphor from drugs DOES NOT WORK AT ALL in a fairy tale universe - because we CLEARLY see many examples of people using magic in positive ways and with positive results. And with Rumpel, him gaining magic only ascerbated character traits that he had always possessed.
First of all, magic as a metaphor from drugs DOES NOT WORK AT ALL in a fairy tale universe - because we CLEARLY see many examples of people using magic in positive ways and with positive results. And with Rumpel, him gaining magic only ascerbated character traits that he had always possessed.
It really doesn't, which leaves me wondering why they feel the need to include this arc, and the only conclusion I can really come to is that they're doing it because it cushions the religious overtones of the series. Like, you see magic solving people's problems, but never when they create magic themselves. The only characters that have been shown to bend reality with no real side-effects are the faeries.
Paradoxically, magic and believing in magic has been a metaphor for faith throughout the series, so there's something especially skeevy about Rumpel making Victor say that there are some things magic does better equals there are some things faith gives you that evil science doesn't. I could just be reading too much into it, but that's what I got from it. EDIT: Like, you have to believe in magic as a shaping force for the world, but to harness it yourself is a bad thing.
Now, it could be that they're trying to say that evil magic = a drug, which I could buy, and they could just be mincing their words, but it seems to tie Regina into a very classic "transgressor against God and Nature" dynamic, especially in The Doctor. Granted, it could be because they were trying to mimic the look and morality of the Frankenstein story, and they were exaggerating Regina's connection to Victor to do that, but the overall message isn't exactly consistent.
Paradoxically, magic and believing in magic has been a metaphor for faith throughout the series, so there's something especially skeevy about Rumpel making Victor say that there are some things magic does better equals there are some things faith gives you that evil science doesn't.
Oh god, I was SO cringing at this part. Because it really ties into skeevy ideas our culture has about how faith is superior to reason (or that reason can never give people the comfort or the moral sensibility that faith does), which drives me UP THE FUCKING WALL.
Although the moral of this episode bothered me on a lot of levels, HOLY SHIT I WAS HAVING FEELS ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE.
*nods*
First, I HAAAAATED the magic > than science arc. Secondly, magic≠ drugs, okay? ESPECIALLY not in this universe.
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Oh yeah, visually, and portrayal-wise, very much so. The glasses and the Gladstone bag, too. And the being a manipulative bastard.
My first reaction was more along the lines of, "Regina is keeping her true love in a glass coffin with plans to resurrect him and she completely freezes herself over in the pursuit of that."
EDIT: Side note, this is the only example of "Boy in Refrigerator" I can think of.
First, I HAAAAATED the magic > than science arc. Secondly, magic≠ drugs, okay? ESPECIALLY not in this universe.
I really hated that, too. There's a seriously bad message there - if magic is like a drug, and science is like magic but wimpier, then science is bad. Which wouldn't be as problematic if I wasn't thinking about the audience Once is targeting - magic doesn't exist, science does. It's not like it's some strange mythical practice, it's the foundation of modern society. It was a totally unnecessary alienation.
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EDIT: Side note, this is the only example of "Boy in Refrigerator" I can think of.
*nods*
That is one of the many things about Regina's arc that I really adore - that her BF died to give HER angst and character development.
I really hated that, too. There's a seriously bad message there - if magic is like a drug, and science is like magic but wimpier, then science is bad. Which wouldn't be as problematic if I wasn't thinking about the audience Once is targeting - magic doesn't exist, science does. It's not like it's some strange mythical practice, it's the foundation of modern society. It was a totally unnecessary alienation.
First of all, magic as a metaphor from drugs DOES NOT WORK AT ALL in a fairy tale universe - because we CLEARLY see many examples of people using magic in positive ways and with positive results. And with Rumpel, him gaining magic only ascerbated character traits that he had always possessed.
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It really doesn't, which leaves me wondering why they feel the need to include this arc, and the only conclusion I can really come to is that they're doing it because it cushions the religious overtones of the series. Like, you see magic solving people's problems, but never when they create magic themselves. The only characters that have been shown to bend reality with no real side-effects are the faeries.
Paradoxically, magic and believing in magic has been a metaphor for faith throughout the series, so there's something especially skeevy about Rumpel making Victor say that there are some things magic does better equals there are some things faith gives you that evil science doesn't. I could just be reading too much into it, but that's what I got from it. EDIT: Like, you have to believe in magic as a shaping force for the world, but to harness it yourself is a bad thing.
Now, it could be that they're trying to say that evil magic = a drug, which I could buy, and they could just be mincing their words, but it seems to tie Regina into a very classic "transgressor against God and Nature" dynamic, especially in The Doctor. Granted, it could be because they were trying to mimic the look and morality of the Frankenstein story, and they were exaggerating Regina's connection to Victor to do that, but the overall message isn't exactly consistent.
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Oh god, I was SO cringing at this part. Because it really ties into skeevy ideas our culture has about how faith is superior to reason (or that reason can never give people the comfort or the moral sensibility that faith does), which drives me UP THE FUCKING WALL.
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