CoE Torchwood Meta

[qthelights]

Partly this is for my own record and needs, but I figured I'd share also. The following is CoE meta.

It is, so far, meta on the negatives of CoE.

My overall message is this: CoE brought up things that need to be talked about. This isn't anti-fandom, it is pro-future fandoms. There are things we are entitled to get from our television shows

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[qthelights]

I don't really think I am.. this isn't all about Ianto dying, at all. It's about the overall message of the series. Have you read the links I posted here? They're much better written than I can put it, but the points remain valid.

It isn't about one character dying over another. I was devastated when they killed Tosh and Owen, but there was still the hope that their deaths would be made up for. This series proves that they weren't. And the point is that they *did* change the last line. Even if it was at the last minute.

Rhys didn't die, he was brought back. Jack trusts his team after their betrayal. The team go on after Tosh and Owen. Those are the differences. Owen's abuse had a point that it furthered his *character*, and don't forge, he *was* brought back. Jack's torture in this season, simply doesn't other than to exist for *more torture*.

I think people, myself included, loved the first three episodes because of what it was saying about their characters, that we were finally getting more depth, more nuance. It was a misleading love though. Had we known why we were getting that depth, I bet people wouldn't have liked the episodes as much.

[irradiatedsoup]

Had we known why we were getting that depth, I bet people wouldn't have liked the episodes as much.

That's incidentally, exactly how I felt about Owen's arc.

I have read the links, yes, and their posts are thoughtful and have some valid points (like yours), but also come off largely as written by people still reeling from being upset.

If we're talking an overall message of the series? Torchwads overall message as far as I am concerned is and always will be: 'Jack can't die, everyone around him can and does, and by the way there is no afterlife (NOTHING!), so you better shag a co-worker while you're here.'

[qthelights]

But I don't think that RTD and co ever told us that that was what the Torchwood message was. In fact, they told us the opposite. Torchwood was about hope and perseverance. And frankly, had the message been "everyone is going to die, there is no hope, run" I wouldn't have watched it. I think a lot of people wouldn't have.