CoE Torchwood Meta
Partly this is for my own record and needs, but I figured I'd share also. The following is CoE meta.
It is, so far, meta on the negatives of CoE.
My overall message is this: CoE brought up things that need to be talked about. This isn't anti-fandom, it is pro-future fandoms. There are things we are entitled to get from our television shows ( Read more... )
It is, so far, meta on the negatives of CoE.
My overall message is this: CoE brought up things that need to be talked about. This isn't anti-fandom, it is pro-future fandoms. There are things we are entitled to get from our television shows ( Read more... )
I think you're upset, which I understand, but I think you're overreacting. Aside from the political angle, I don't see how the episodes were all that different. People have admitted they loved the first three episodes where there was boys making out, explosions, Jack naked, people in forklifts and potato trucks, and their quirky, retconned-in families. And then it got dark, like it always has (First season finale: Rhys is killed and Jack is shot in the head by a member of his team for the second time) and everyone is acting surprised and horrified?
Come on. Tosh's situation was no different than Ianto's. You can argue Owen's unrelenting character abuse had a point, but then I could argue the same about Jack's reaming this season. It was intense and upsetting, absolutely, but not remotely a new thing for Torchwood. The fluffier, fanservice-y version of Torchwood everyone imagines has to be fanon or something because the show is messed. up.
As to Exit Wounds, I accepted that (just) because it served to show that after something happens that is so horrendous, the pieces get picked up. Jack and Gwen and Ianto vow to go on, to rebuild.
It's funny you say that, because originally Exit Wounds was going to end with Gwen saying (In response to Jack's: "We go on"): "I don't think I can." It was going to end there, and they stuck on: "The end is where we start from" right at the last minute. Case in point.
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It isn't about one character dying over another. I was devastated when they killed Tosh and Owen, but there was still the hope that their deaths would be made up for. This series proves that they weren't. And the point is that they *did* change the last line. Even if it was at the last minute.
Rhys didn't die, he was brought back. Jack trusts his team after their betrayal. The team go on after Tosh and Owen. Those are the differences. Owen's abuse had a point that it furthered his *character*, and don't forge, he *was* brought back. Jack's torture in this season, simply doesn't other than to exist for *more torture*.
I think people, myself included, loved the first three episodes because of what it was saying about their characters, that we were finally getting more depth, more nuance. It was a misleading love though. Had we known why we were getting that depth, I bet people wouldn't have liked the episodes as much.
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That's incidentally, exactly how I felt about Owen's arc.
I have read the links, yes, and their posts are thoughtful and have some valid points (like yours), but also come off largely as written by people still reeling from being upset.
If we're talking an overall message of the series? Torchwads overall message as far as I am concerned is and always will be: 'Jack can't die, everyone around him can and does, and by the way there is no afterlife (NOTHING!), so you better shag a co-worker while you're here.'
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