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[pyrodrummer265]

Had a thought... If I have a four year old child that was a product of rape and I decide that I dont want it anymore... can I kill him?

Is there a diffrence between that and an abortion of a fetus that is of rape? They both can feel pain... how is it different?

Tell me your thoughts...

Comments

[magickpotion]

I don't follow the line of reasoning "a kid is a kid". A sperm is not a person. An egg is not a person. Uniting a sperm with an egg does not automatically create a "kid". During the first weeks of pregnancy, there is a cocktail of cells forming. All the bloody anti-abortion photos they show you are actually of very rare late-term abortions when the cells have actually formed into a somewhat viable human creature. The VAST majority of abortions are basically the consistency of a heavy period, not a mutilated little baby.

In response to your question, I refused to dissect baby pigs in biology and subsequently got a C for not sacrificing my principles. Funny you ask! Did you dissect baby pigs?

If you think that dicecting a pig fetus is wrong and killing a human isn't... you need to rethink your beliefs.

1.) I personally think that dissecting a pig fetus is disrespectful and assenting to the horiffic pork industry that keeps pigs in disgusting conditions and slaughters them cruelly and systematically.

2.) I don't think the cells involved with abortion are people, as I've already explained above.

3.) You can't compare dissecting baby pigs with abortion. They're completely separate issues for many, many reasons, among them:
*The baby pigs are basically viable beings with developed nerves et al whereas most abortion does not deal with viable beings. It deals with a collection of cells/organelles/etc.
*With the pork industry, the mother pigs are cruelly slaughtered and then have their bodies ripped up and the developing pigs dumped. Women are obviously not pigs and the circumstances for "getting rid of" their future protegée include being raped, not being able to afford supporting another human being for the rest of their lives, having their health be risked by being pregnant, and more.

By the way... you're male, right? So what does the issue of what women do with their bodies have to do with you?

P.S. - I was reading your userinfo and noticed you support George W. Bush as well as homosexual rights. How can these beliefs possibly make sense in conjunction with one another?

[gungho_squirrel]

Well said. I agree with much, most likely all, really, of what you have said. It makes sense to me and actually parellels my own personal beliefs regarding this issue.

As for Perkey's homosexual nature and his strong unwavering support for the Republican party, I am just as confused as you are. Why would anyone want to support something that stands for the opposite of what they are? I know there's other issues that can be supported, but being gay is part of who he is and will affect his life forever.

Interesting how Bush wants to terminate gay rights completely, yet gays support him. And terminating their rights in America is ridiculous, because America is about freedom. Sexual orienation is a lifestyle, and gays are people too.

Hm... in conclusion. I hate Bush. =)

[pyrodrummer265]

I hate it when people think that I shouldn't support Bush because he doesn't like the homosexual lifestyle.
Maybe people that support Kerry that also disprove of the homosexual lifestyle should support bush.

[magickpotion]

Why did you respond to this person's post instead of my actual question?

[pyrodrummer265]

Because she is more important to me than you... you can get stabbed in the eye with a fork, for all I care.

[magickpotion]

Is that because you haven't been able to logically counteract anything I've said?

[pyrodrummer265]

Are you a homosexual... if not, do you stand for homosexual rights?

[magickpotion]

No and yes.

[magickpotion]

That is, no I am not and yes I do.

[pyrodrummer265]

He is ok with a woman having the right to control what happens to her OWN BODY, but we're in the process of covering this issue in another thread, so I won't elaborate. But I make the point again that I believe you are male and you would never have to face the possibility of being raped and being forced to have a person grow inside your body for nine months and then be obligated to that person for the rest of your entire life. So thanks, but it's not even your issue.

Then according to your logic that you posted in enderu's journal...

Do you know what it is like being gay? Do you know what kind of crap comes with it? But you don't, you don't know what it is like, so homosexual issues are not for you to deal with.

[magickpotion]

The argument you're trying to use doesn't hold up because you're talking about restricting women's rights (i.e. not allowing abortion) whereas I am completely for the expansion of gay rights (i.e. gay marriage and other issues).

[gungho_squirrel]

Because he's a white republican male. Homosexual or not, Republican males seem to have this one thought still engraved into their brains... They are higher than women and still have the rights and abilities to control them and decide what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.
As far as abortion goes, no male besides the husband of the concieved child has a right to decide anything about what happens to that child. If it's a child of rape, it's completely up to the woman if she wants an abortion or not.

[magickpotion]

Homosexual or not, Republican males seem to have this one thought still engraved into their brains... They are higher than women and still have the rights and abilities to control them and decide what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.

That's sick.

As far as abortion goes, no male besides the husband of the concieved child has a right to decide anything about what happens to that child. If it's a child of rape, it's completely up to the woman if she wants an abortion or not.

I basically agree with that - I'd just like to be clear in also saying that while the husband / partner should be able to "decide", it should never go above what the woman wants, i.e. override her own decision. Which doesn't quite fit the "equal" thing, but hey, it's still her body.

[gungho_squirrel]

Perkey, I think you're taking what I said a bit far. You are a homosexual. Completely gay now, if I'm not mistaken. It is your life and will be your life until you die. It is a major part of your existence and will affect everything you can (or in Bush's case, cannot) do.

If he prohibits gay rights in any way you are stripped from, but not limited to, as there is probably more shit to come; serving the country by way of military, protection, be that personal, home, etc, if you chose to have a significant other and want to commit for life this commitment will get no rights nor will it even be acknowledged by the state. There's a lot of tax breaks and junks for couples, but just because it's same-sex Bush is going to take away all of your rights. All of them. And we call this the free world? *snorts.*
I am not a Kerry supporter. Nor am I a Bush supporter. I hate Bush more, however, because he is a very evil man. Republican ideals and intentions are not evil. Bush is. But I don't think he knows of this evil... he's just an igorant bastard.
You can be as Republican as you want, Perkey. But Bush threatens your very way of life by enforcing ideas that are complete bullshit that the majority of society would rather roll their eyes at.

Also, all of your comments on this thread lately have not been thoroughly thought through at all. You're being rash and vain. You seem to be working off you temper, or perhaps ignorance, to come back with snotty remarks at people. This has failed to become an intelligent conversation because since people are disagreeing with you or questioning your ideas you're getting snotty.

Don't bring up such a controversial issue and open it for public conversation if you don't expect to get people with views on the opposite end of the spectrum responding to you.

[magickpotion]

Don't bring up such a controversial issue and open it for public conversation if you don't expect to get people with views on the opposite end of the spectrum responding to you.

Yep. I have the feeling he didn't ask it to actually open up a dialogue - it was more rhetorical and made to re-affirm his own ideology.

[magickpotion]

I hate Bush, too. He has completely screwed over our country in numerous frightening ways.

Most gays don't support him. I'm puzzled as to why any gays would support him. He even voted against making hate crimes in Texas cover violence against homosexuals.