Интервью с Эллисом в 2001 году (ему было тогда 81 год, он доживет до 2018).
Mr. Ellis acknowledged that he once held segregationist views, that he opposed affirmative action as ''unconstitutional and counterproductive'' and that race and media-bashing played a role in winning votes for Mr. Helms, particularly in eastern North Carolina. He has been pilloried for serving in the 1970's as a director of the Pioneer Fund, which financed research on the relationship between race and intelligence. He said it remained an open question in his mind whether one race was genetically superior. ''I have no idea,'' he said, seated beneath a portrait of Robert E. Lee. ''I've never tested it, don't know whether it's a valid argument or not. Because there is such a huge cry about the thing, you can't have a legitimate, intelligent argument about it.'' Mr. Ellis has not decided whom he might support to succeed Mr. Helms. But he said Mr. Helms's retirement from politics would not encourage his own. ''I'll do this till I die,'' he said. ''I can't think of anything more important. If we don't turn this boat around sometime, my children and my grandchildren are going to have to pay the price.'' https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/us/public-lives-as-helms-exits-a-conservative-crusader-will-carry-on.html
Mr. Ellis acknowledged that he once held segregationist views, that he opposed affirmative action as ''unconstitutional and counterproductive'' and that race and media-bashing played a role in winning votes for Mr. Helms, particularly in eastern North Carolina.
He has been pilloried for serving in the 1970's as a director of the Pioneer Fund, which financed research on the relationship between race and intelligence. He said it remained an open question in his mind whether one race was genetically superior. ''I have no idea,'' he said, seated beneath a portrait of Robert E. Lee. ''I've never tested it, don't know whether it's a valid argument or not. Because there is such a huge cry about the thing, you can't have a legitimate, intelligent argument about it.''
Mr. Ellis has not decided whom he might support to succeed Mr. Helms. But he said Mr. Helms's retirement from politics would not encourage his own.
''I'll do this till I die,'' he said. ''I can't think of anything more important. If we don't turn this boat around sometime, my children and my grandchildren are going to have to pay the price.''
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/us/public-lives-as-helms-exits-a-conservative-crusader-will-carry-on.html
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