Well, what I was trying to say is that the actions of some Muslims aren't the actions of all Muslims. Saying all Muslims are violent bomb-wearing jihadists based on what that mob was doing is like saying all black people are gangsta ghetto crack dealing homeboys. It's a stereotype. Granted, some stereotypes have a foundation in reality. The one with Muslims certainly does. There's no arguing about whether or not some Muslims blow people up and are violent. They obviously are.
Like Chris Rock said though, there's a difference between Niggas and Black people. There's a difference between radical fundamentalists and Muslims. Radical factions of any religion can be dangerous and commit offenses.
You also have to keep in mind that blaming all Muslims for the actions of some of them alienates the rest. As an American, I wouldn't want to be blamed for the actions of George Bush or a majority of the American government. I don't agree with what they're doing but myself and those that share my view are a large minority and get overridden by others. That doesn't mean that saying, "All Americans like Goerge Bush's warrantless wiretapping scheme," is right. Just like saying all Muslims wanna blow us up isn't right.
What you said is certainly correct (your overall thesis that member x of group a does not represent everyone in group a).
But, my point is that Islam is a violent religion by it's teachings. Christianity is not. Judaism isn't either (at least to the best of my knowledge). I'm only so quick to jump on this because everyone seems to always want to bring up Christianity's dark side in the defense of Islam, when I feel that the comparison is not deserved...based on the fundamental principles of the two religions.
Irony for the day: Islam has much more in common than Judaism than Christianity.
How do you know it's more violent by its teachings? Have you read the Qu'ran (or however it's spelled)? Have you compared it to the Bible?
And who says that these Muslims were taught by their religion to act this violently? Yes, they may have been taught that it is wrong to portray their prophet in drawings but the way they react to someone doing so may not be scripted. If the followers are willing to turn to violence then it doesn't matter what religion they are. They could have Christians mad about an exhibit where a cruxifiction was put in a jar of urine.
In fact, there were reports of Muslim clerics wading into the crowd and trying to calm the people and keep them from such violence. In that case it's hard to blame it on the religion alone. It seems more like they're exceedingly unhappy with the Western world already and something like this was the spark needed to set them off.
"How do you know it's more violent by its teachings? Have you read the Qu'ran (or however it's spelled)? Have you compared it to the Bible?"
Yes and yes. Koran is the proper Romanization of Qu'ran, which is an Arabic word. I do my best to not just spew poo out of my bum.
"And who says that these Muslims were taught by their religion to act this violently? Yes, they may have been taught that it is wrong to portray their prophet in drawings but the way they react to someone doing so may not be scripted. If the followers are willing to turn to violence then it doesn't matter what religion they are. They could have Christians mad about an exhibit where a cruxifiction was put in a jar of urine."
It's funny you brought up the Piss Christ, because no Christians were burning down the Capitol building to cut off federal funds to it (or anything like that). I'm a religious person, and I have no problem with religious people being easily offended (the Rolling Stone cover offends me). I also have no problem with religious people protesting peacefully against offensive religious material (though I would never do so). I do have a problem with a religion that actively advocates violence against unbelievers and infidels in it's holy book. This isn't about cartoons, it's about how the Muslim world reacts to everything it find offensive...with violence. Don't you remember all the protests and deaths from the (now fake) Newsweek story about a Koran being flushed down a toilet? It's about an society that seriously needs to step out of the 17th century, grow up, civilize itself, and sit down at the big boy table.
"In fact, there were reports of Muslim clerics wading into the crowd and trying to calm the people and keep them from such violence."
Look into the Danish Imam that created three fake pictures and used them to really get this whole thing started off (since the original cartoons were printed in Sept of '05). I'd link you to Michelle Malkin, but I seem to remember Kos had a link on his site about this as well.
"In that case it's hard to blame it on the religion alone."
What else do you blame it on, then? Their politics? Their politics are shapely purely by the Koran, Hadiths, and sharia. Their culture?
"It seems more like they're exceedingly unhappy with the Western world already and something like this was the spark needed to set them off."
They just may be unhappy with the Western world, but if you think for even a second that their condition is our fault and not their own, you're sadly mistaken. Islamofascism and Wahhabism have been around since way before 1776, and so has Muslim misery in the Middle East and Europe.
Hamilton College is a pretty liberal school. I got pretty good at debating conservative POV, since I was surrounded by liberals. Funny thing is a) I'm better for it and b) I'm more conservative now than before I went to Hamilton.
Maybe more liberal students should go to places like Bob Jones University?
Like Chris Rock said though, there's a difference between Niggas and Black people. There's a difference between radical fundamentalists and Muslims. Radical factions of any religion can be dangerous and commit offenses.
You also have to keep in mind that blaming all Muslims for the actions of some of them alienates the rest. As an American, I wouldn't want to be blamed for the actions of George Bush or a majority of the American government. I don't agree with what they're doing but myself and those that share my view are a large minority and get overridden by others. That doesn't mean that saying, "All Americans like Goerge Bush's warrantless wiretapping scheme," is right. Just like saying all Muslims wanna blow us up isn't right.
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But, my point is that Islam is a violent religion by it's teachings. Christianity is not. Judaism isn't either (at least to the best of my knowledge). I'm only so quick to jump on this because everyone seems to always want to bring up Christianity's dark side in the defense of Islam, when I feel that the comparison is not deserved...based on the fundamental principles of the two religions.
Irony for the day: Islam has much more in common than Judaism than Christianity.
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And who says that these Muslims were taught by their religion to act this violently? Yes, they may have been taught that it is wrong to portray their prophet in drawings but the way they react to someone doing so may not be scripted. If the followers are willing to turn to violence then it doesn't matter what religion they are. They could have Christians mad about an exhibit where a cruxifiction was put in a jar of urine.
In fact, there were reports of Muslim clerics wading into the crowd and trying to calm the people and keep them from such violence. In that case it's hard to blame it on the religion alone. It seems more like they're exceedingly unhappy with the Western world already and something like this was the spark needed to set them off.
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Yes and yes. Koran is the proper Romanization of Qu'ran, which is an Arabic word. I do my best to not just spew poo out of my bum.
"And who says that these Muslims were taught by their religion to act this violently? Yes, they may have been taught that it is wrong to portray their prophet in drawings but the way they react to someone doing so may not be scripted. If the followers are willing to turn to violence then it doesn't matter what religion they are. They could have Christians mad about an exhibit where a cruxifiction was put in a jar of urine."
It's funny you brought up the Piss Christ, because no Christians were burning down the Capitol building to cut off federal funds to it (or anything like that). I'm a religious person, and I have no problem with religious people being easily offended (the Rolling Stone cover offends me). I also have no problem with religious people protesting peacefully against offensive religious material (though I would never do so). I do have a problem with a religion that actively advocates violence against unbelievers and infidels in it's holy book. This isn't about cartoons, it's about how the Muslim world reacts to everything it find offensive...with violence. Don't you remember all the protests and deaths from the (now fake) Newsweek story about a Koran being flushed down a toilet? It's about an society that seriously needs to step out of the 17th century, grow up, civilize itself, and sit down at the big boy table.
"In fact, there were reports of Muslim clerics wading into the crowd and trying to calm the people and keep them from such violence."
Look into the Danish Imam that created three fake pictures and used them to really get this whole thing started off (since the original cartoons were printed in Sept of '05). I'd link you to Michelle Malkin, but I seem to remember Kos had a link on his site about this as well.
"In that case it's hard to blame it on the religion alone."
What else do you blame it on, then? Their politics? Their politics are shapely purely by the Koran, Hadiths, and sharia. Their culture?
"It seems more like they're exceedingly unhappy with the Western world already and something like this was the spark needed to set them off."
They just may be unhappy with the Western world, but if you think for even a second that their condition is our fault and not their own, you're sadly mistaken. Islamofascism and Wahhabism have been around since way before 1776, and so has Muslim misery in the Middle East and Europe.
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Maybe more liberal students should go to places like Bob Jones University?
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