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prophetic

don't cross the streams

Mar 03, 2009 22:38

I just sent the email below to some RL friends, because we were talking about stuff. I'm in the midst of freaking out about it now, like, did I really just tell these people who I know FROM CHURCH about all this stuff?

/o\

I am uncomfortable about this much overlap between these two areas of my life. I think I'm moving in the right direction-- ( Read more... )

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hot topics evangelysta March 4 2009, 21:37:10 UTC

Well, I am in the middle of taking notes on a great book about how feminist discourse has generally failed at figuring race in its discussion of woman's oppression. The point of the book is to try to think race and gender together because they ( ... )

Re: hot topics tempore March 5 2009, 02:27:44 UTC

Jumping in, hope you don't mind, because I do think it interesting, to build on what you were saying re: Dionysus (or also known as Bacchus) and the dryads and satyrs-- the women were, in the myth or retelling of it, generally depicted as insane with their lusts and desires. They are desire unchecked, and so female sexuality carried a sense of negativity with it, that these women were out of control.

Re: hot topics evangelysta March 5 2009, 17:08:17 UTC

Yes, true true. Women and their wandering wombs of antiquity. Can't argue with anything you say there. Doesn't mean they didn't have fun, though!

Re: hot topics tempore March 5 2009, 17:21:05 UTC

Oh, I'd have been happy to be one of Bacchus' wild women. :)

Re: hot topics prophetic March 5 2009, 23:56:55 UTC

The ideas and connections you have here are just awesome. This rules. I think both you and tempore have nailed it (bwah! phallic metaphor!) in terms of women's sexuality being the thing that's invisible and marginalized in this discussion.

I think your connections between Dionysus and Jesus / ritual feast / eating body and drinking blood are excellent. When I think of the "more life" that God is somehow supposed to be offering us, in Christ or otherwise, it means the most to me when expressed in really earthy, visceral images like this. [And it reminds me of what a confusing place seminary was to think about sexuality--cf. real life events, you know which ones I mean. I don't think it's a coincidence that those types of confusions happen AT seminary, in an environment that supposed to be suffused with God.]

I love this:

ecstasy and the blurring of boundaries: male and female, god and human, human and animalAnd, frankly, it reminds me of the vision scripture communicates of the kingdom of God--where there is no first or last ( ... )

Re: hot topics evangelysta March 6 2009, 19:54:35 UTC

Thanks for your reply and assurance that I'm thinking about things that matter to you. I tend to think what I think about as the most important stuff in the world, so it is nice to hear it strike a chord with others.

You wrote asking about phallic language. I LOVE thinking about this stuff but normally don't get to write it out to an interested audience that forces me to be non-technical. Sooo...

Re: hot topics evangelysta March 6 2009, 19:55:03 UTC

warning: Unedited philosophical thoughts ahead. Expect jumpiness ( ... )

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