Liveblog: 2008 US Prez debate 3
OK, I'm good for one more.
9:02: BHO and McC shake hands and mutually back-pat. McC offers hand first. This erases the silly Cindy-block snub that ended the last debate.
9:03: McC opens with best wishes for Nancy Reagan who is hospitalized. I didn't know that.
9:04: McC: Americans are angry, and upset, and angry. OK, now he's saying that Fannie and Freddie are the cause for the economic crisis, which I'm pretty sure is bunk, but it's the start of a common attack on BHO, yes? Though he's not pressing the point that way.
9:05: BHO acknowledges that he and McC supported the current bailout together. (Did they both vote on it as senators? idk) Plan is tax cuts (o rly?) and mortgage renegotiations.
9:07: McC is telling A Plumber Named Joe story. Obama's tax plan would prevent him from buying his own business!
9:09 BHO: Sounds like Joe's been watchin some of McCain's ads. ha ha... His rebuttal is like "Well, no, actually. We'll give you a tax cut."
9:10 McC: Oh, so you're a socialist! I see!!!
9:11 Drinking game phrase is now: spread the wealth around.
9:12 Take two drinks whenever they say "Joe the Plumber." Finish your drink when the first Joe the Plumber flash game appears on Newgrounds.com.
9:16 BHO just said "profligate". Sorry, falling behind; just saw I had a bunch new comments but they were all from two posts ago.
9:17. Heh heh! McC pulls a Palin and answers some other question, and Bob reels him back. So he randomly rattles off about energy for a while, and now he's actually answering the question on the table. I think.
9:18 Oh fuck you. "$3 million for an overhead projector in a planetarium" again. It was the main projector that makes the planetarium work, you anti-science shithead. And BHO lets it go! Grr.
9:21 All around McC setting up Obama as a spend-happy porkbareller. I like this better than the "palling around with terorists" thing people were anticipating (though the night is young).
9:23 BHO is responding to this by saying that McC is a Bush lapdog, economically. Hrm.
9:24 McC: Shut up, I'm totally awesome and you know it
9:25 Bob: So tell us about all these attacks y'all've been making. heh heh
9:25 McC: Dood! He didn't wanna townhall! We coulda done 10 townhalls by now! Plus random hat-tip to JFK's assassination.... buh
9:26 BHO isn't muttering no no that's not true like he was with the first debate. He just shakes his head with a sad smile.
9:28: The rightyblogs are now alit with news that Obama just FAILED to repudiate whatever thing I hadn't heard of before that McC just challenged him to repudiate. And I think it's disingenuous to say that literally 100 percent of McC's ads are negative. (They only seem that way, surely. right?)
9:30 Sports joke went totally over my head
9:30 McC: Yeah, coz you're not running any attack ads at all. Jerk.
9:31 Joe the plumber is spreading his wealth around again.
9:31 Obama brings up the shouty kooks at the McC rallies. This is getting a little igry. Whoah, now he's bringing it around to that repudiation McC asked for. (Some congressman suggested that M/P's ticket was running on racial segregation; O/B told him to can it.)
9:33 McC haha! How dare you criticize people in my rallies when it contains people like WWII vets! And women! When people at your rallies wear narsty t-shirts!
9:35 BHO: Really we just have to not be assholes.
9:35 McC: I agree. But we need to know whether or not you're a terrorist or a vote-frauder. Ohhhh shiiiit there he goes, there he goes.
9:36 Bob: Fuck. OK, BHO, please answer that and let me know when you're done.
9:37 BHO starts out his Ayers defense by namechecking Ronald Reagan.
9:37 "With respect to Mr. Acorn" OK
9:38: McC: Yeah, blah blah blah. You looove Ayers. Who is a BOMBING BOMBER. You BOMBIST.
9:39 HAHAHA. Also BTW did I already say I'm not gonna raise taxes? Coz I won't! And Obama will. After he BOMBS YOU. OMG DUCK I SEE HIM REACHIN FOR SOME BOMBS lol j/k
9:43 McC's energy-independence plan is Sarah Palin. Also special-needs children. And her husband's a tough guy.
9:44 BHO Well.. she's clearly excited the base.
9:45 McC is like the opposite of SNL's Biden parody. I love Biden! Except he is WRONG. About EVERYTHING.
9:47 McC wants to build 45 new NUCLEAR PANTS. I MEAN PLANTS. He mentions wanting to build lots of nuke and other clean-burning plants in the US ASAP, which seems to me like a fleeting a glimpse of the pre-2006 McCain. Sigh... I miss him.
9:49 Obama is more interested in solar/wind/bio. See, this is an interesting distinction, dammit. Too bad the debate can't be just about stuff like this.
9:51 McC: DRILL BABY DRILL. Aw dude.
9:55 Uhh, I have no idea what's going on here. McC wants free trade agreements with latin american countries but cautions getting into any negotiation with the evil Iranian Venezuelan leaders, because talking to them would give us cooties. Obama is cracking up.
9:58 I think I'm missing some of Obama's statements because I'm typing over him about McC's. So I'm typing this now to let him catch up. Doo dee doo.
10:00 JOE THE PLUMBER. Have a drink on ol' joe. Twice. Three times! OK I'm done counting.
10:02 BHO is directly addressing how ol' Joe won't be able to make much use of McC's $5,000 tax credit for health care. Well, if he's young n healthy it may be a win, but...
10:03 McC: Oh, I see, so you're a SOCIALIST! RUN, JOE!
10:06 The fundamental disagreement here is that Obama's Joe is a beleaguered laborer and McCain's Joe is a struggling business owner. So they're kinda talking past each other.
10:08 McC on supreme court picks: I would choose my candidates on their objective qualities. Like whether or not they support Roe v. Wade. Well... he's honest.
10:10 BHO: Yeah, so it turns out that womens' rights aren't up for state referendum.
10:12 McC is revealing the terrible truth that Obama has a voting history that is in-line with a pro-choice lawmaker's. Um...
10:13 BHO is directly meeting the barbs in that litany. This is an easy one for him. And now he turns it around to provide evidence that he doesn't hate all babies.
10:15 McC will take care of your unborn babies just like he will with your veterans.
10:18 Penny Arcade's forums are now lit up with Obama's implying that video games cannot provide children with knowledge.
10:21 Oh no, Obama is agreeing with McCain on education, it's all over, etc. The discussion about college loan strategies might actually be a interesting non-jerkwad debate topic on its own as well, but it's not gonna happen here.
10:25 McC keeps interrupting BHO by going "Vouchers!!" I don't actually know anything about this topic so yeah.
10:27 He let a single "my friends" rip at the end. Closing statement: You can trust me to not spend like certain crazy spendy guys would. I love the country and I love yoooou.
10:29 BHO closing: Middle class tax cuts. Heath care and education and baskets of puppies and so forth. Uh oh he totally closed with a nod to "the spirit of sacrifice and service" which I know certain people will use as a THERE! YOU SEE!?! Ah well.
OK, that's that.
Oops! I shut off comments by accident!! They work again, sorry.
9:02: BHO and McC shake hands and mutually back-pat. McC offers hand first. This erases the silly Cindy-block snub that ended the last debate.
9:03: McC opens with best wishes for Nancy Reagan who is hospitalized. I didn't know that.
9:04: McC: Americans are angry, and upset, and angry. OK, now he's saying that Fannie and Freddie are the cause for the economic crisis, which I'm pretty sure is bunk, but it's the start of a common attack on BHO, yes? Though he's not pressing the point that way.
9:05: BHO acknowledges that he and McC supported the current bailout together. (Did they both vote on it as senators? idk) Plan is tax cuts (o rly?) and mortgage renegotiations.
9:07: McC is telling A Plumber Named Joe story. Obama's tax plan would prevent him from buying his own business!
9:09 BHO: Sounds like Joe's been watchin some of McCain's ads. ha ha... His rebuttal is like "Well, no, actually. We'll give you a tax cut."
9:10 McC: Oh, so you're a socialist! I see!!!
9:11 Drinking game phrase is now: spread the wealth around.
9:12 Take two drinks whenever they say "Joe the Plumber." Finish your drink when the first Joe the Plumber flash game appears on Newgrounds.com.
9:16 BHO just said "profligate". Sorry, falling behind; just saw I had a bunch new comments but they were all from two posts ago.
9:17. Heh heh! McC pulls a Palin and answers some other question, and Bob reels him back. So he randomly rattles off about energy for a while, and now he's actually answering the question on the table. I think.
9:18 Oh fuck you. "$3 million for an overhead projector in a planetarium" again. It was the main projector that makes the planetarium work, you anti-science shithead. And BHO lets it go! Grr.
9:21 All around McC setting up Obama as a spend-happy porkbareller. I like this better than the "palling around with terorists" thing people were anticipating (though the night is young).
9:23 BHO is responding to this by saying that McC is a Bush lapdog, economically. Hrm.
9:24 McC: Shut up, I'm totally awesome and you know it
9:25 Bob: So tell us about all these attacks y'all've been making. heh heh
9:25 McC: Dood! He didn't wanna townhall! We coulda done 10 townhalls by now! Plus random hat-tip to JFK's assassination.... buh
9:26 BHO isn't muttering no no that's not true like he was with the first debate. He just shakes his head with a sad smile.
9:28: The rightyblogs are now alit with news that Obama just FAILED to repudiate whatever thing I hadn't heard of before that McC just challenged him to repudiate. And I think it's disingenuous to say that literally 100 percent of McC's ads are negative. (They only seem that way, surely. right?)
9:30 Sports joke went totally over my head
9:30 McC: Yeah, coz you're not running any attack ads at all. Jerk.
9:31 Joe the plumber is spreading his wealth around again.
9:31 Obama brings up the shouty kooks at the McC rallies. This is getting a little igry. Whoah, now he's bringing it around to that repudiation McC asked for. (Some congressman suggested that M/P's ticket was running on racial segregation; O/B told him to can it.)
9:33 McC haha! How dare you criticize people in my rallies when it contains people like WWII vets! And women! When people at your rallies wear narsty t-shirts!
9:35 BHO: Really we just have to not be assholes.
9:35 McC: I agree. But we need to know whether or not you're a terrorist or a vote-frauder. Ohhhh shiiiit there he goes, there he goes.
9:36 Bob: Fuck. OK, BHO, please answer that and let me know when you're done.
9:37 BHO starts out his Ayers defense by namechecking Ronald Reagan.
9:37 "With respect to Mr. Acorn" OK
9:38: McC: Yeah, blah blah blah. You looove Ayers. Who is a BOMBING BOMBER. You BOMBIST.
9:39 HAHAHA. Also BTW did I already say I'm not gonna raise taxes? Coz I won't! And Obama will. After he BOMBS YOU. OMG DUCK I SEE HIM REACHIN FOR SOME BOMBS lol j/k
9:43 McC's energy-independence plan is Sarah Palin. Also special-needs children. And her husband's a tough guy.
9:44 BHO Well.. she's clearly excited the base.
9:45 McC is like the opposite of SNL's Biden parody. I love Biden! Except he is WRONG. About EVERYTHING.
9:47 McC wants to build 45 new NUCLEAR PANTS. I MEAN PLANTS. He mentions wanting to build lots of nuke and other clean-burning plants in the US ASAP, which seems to me like a fleeting a glimpse of the pre-2006 McCain. Sigh... I miss him.
9:49 Obama is more interested in solar/wind/bio. See, this is an interesting distinction, dammit. Too bad the debate can't be just about stuff like this.
9:51 McC: DRILL BABY DRILL. Aw dude.
9:55 Uhh, I have no idea what's going on here. McC wants free trade agreements with latin american countries but cautions getting into any negotiation with the evil Iranian Venezuelan leaders, because talking to them would give us cooties. Obama is cracking up.
9:58 I think I'm missing some of Obama's statements because I'm typing over him about McC's. So I'm typing this now to let him catch up. Doo dee doo.
10:00 JOE THE PLUMBER. Have a drink on ol' joe. Twice. Three times! OK I'm done counting.
10:02 BHO is directly addressing how ol' Joe won't be able to make much use of McC's $5,000 tax credit for health care. Well, if he's young n healthy it may be a win, but...
10:03 McC: Oh, I see, so you're a SOCIALIST! RUN, JOE!
10:06 The fundamental disagreement here is that Obama's Joe is a beleaguered laborer and McCain's Joe is a struggling business owner. So they're kinda talking past each other.
10:08 McC on supreme court picks: I would choose my candidates on their objective qualities. Like whether or not they support Roe v. Wade. Well... he's honest.
10:10 BHO: Yeah, so it turns out that womens' rights aren't up for state referendum.
10:12 McC is revealing the terrible truth that Obama has a voting history that is in-line with a pro-choice lawmaker's. Um...
10:13 BHO is directly meeting the barbs in that litany. This is an easy one for him. And now he turns it around to provide evidence that he doesn't hate all babies.
10:15 McC will take care of your unborn babies just like he will with your veterans.
10:18 Penny Arcade's forums are now lit up with Obama's implying that video games cannot provide children with knowledge.
10:21 Oh no, Obama is agreeing with McCain on education, it's all over, etc. The discussion about college loan strategies might actually be a interesting non-jerkwad debate topic on its own as well, but it's not gonna happen here.
10:25 McC keeps interrupting BHO by going "Vouchers!!" I don't actually know anything about this topic so yeah.
10:27 He let a single "my friends" rip at the end. Closing statement: You can trust me to not spend like certain crazy spendy guys would. I love the country and I love yoooou.
10:29 BHO closing: Middle class tax cuts. Heath care and education and baskets of puppies and so forth. Uh oh he totally closed with a nod to "the spirit of sacrifice and service" which I know certain people will use as a THERE! YOU SEE!?! Ah well.
OK, that's that.
Oops! I shut off comments by accident!! They work again, sorry.