Grammar poll

Jun 27, 2006 13:37

"Hopefully, she will arrive on time."

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dougo June 27 2006, 17:58:57 UTC
It's colloquial, but I wouldn't use it in formal writing. And everyone who says "yes" is a descriptivist jackass.

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Hopefully, we've moved beyond pendantry taskboy3000 June 27 2006, 18:22:40 UTC

Let the grammatical smack-down begin.

From Websters online:

«Main Entry: hope·ful·ly
Pronunciation: 'hOp-f&-lE
Function: adverb
  1. in a hopeful manner
  2. it is hoped : I hope : we hope

usage:

In the early 1960s the second sense of hopefully, which had been in sporadic use since around 1932, underwent a surge of popular use. A surge of popular criticism followed in reaction, but the criticism took no account of the grammar of adverbs. Hopefully in its second sense is a member of a class of adverbs known as disjuncts. Disjuncts serve as a means by which the author or speaker can comment directly to the reader or hearer usually on the content of the sentence to which they are attached. Many other adverbs (as interestingly, frankly, clearly, luckily, unfortunately) are similarly used; most are so ordinary as to excite no comment or interest whatsoever. The second sense of hopefully is entirely standard.»

I'm buying what Websters is selling, because it matches what I've read in several modern grammar books.

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tahnan June 27 2006, 19:07:32 UTC
Well--I said "yes", but really it means "I, the speaker, hope that..." You can't say "Hopefully, I'll die" just because it's hoped by someone that you'll die. (And note that it can't be embedded: "Mary believes that hopefully she will arrive on time" does not mean either "Mary beleves that it is hoped that she will arrive on time", or "Mary believes that she hopes that she will arrive on time", or even "Mary believes she will arrive on time, and I hope she will.)

As taskboy says, this is one of a number of "speaker-oriented adverbs"; for instance, "frankly" has no paraphrase "It is frank that...", but means only "I, the speaker, am being frank when I say..." These share the above properties--they must refer to the speaker's opinions, and they can't be embedded.

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melskunk June 27 2006, 19:07:52 UTC
I'd say other in that I'm not sure THAT usage of "It is hoped" is right, but I have frequently heard "It is hoped you will/can attend" and seen it as some sort of more formal way to say "Hopefully", which in that case sounds a bit, I don't know, rude?

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keimel June 27 2006, 19:12:52 UTC
Am wondering why the need for the comma except to specify that "she" is not the one who is hopeful.

Have to dig into the book (Eats, shoots and leaves) I recently picked to get a better handle on the current thoughts about it.

Seems to be a word in transition as to its accepted use.

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