update
First off, thanks Carrie. You have no idea how much better I feel after talking last night for about an hour. Here's your update!
Mika, I've talked to him about it. He's not happy to say the least, but he's also at Ft. Lewis until the 27th and then at Ft. Benning until August 8th. He can't do much until he gets home. However, he does agree that we had resolved this beforehand and that it was pointless for her to chew me out for something that was between me and him in our relationship. Hell, at her graduation and her party, I saved my outburst for when we were alone in his damn car! If it doesn't involve you, keep your damn nose out of it! If it was your business, we'd make you the damn mediator that you swear you *always* are.
My sister mentioned something interesting, though. She said that Tiffany feels like I'm taking away her brother, her best friend, in a sense. Right now, I'm just shaking my head at her stupidity. I just got off the phone with her after I told her I couldn't go swimming, and then I mentioned that I knew what she had told my sister. Let's see, who's the airhead here? Me, who's getting my four year degree, doesn't drink or smoke, and has common sense? Or her, who's living with her boyfriend (a very sweet guy, btw), living in an apartment, and can't save money to save her life? Lately she's been using my employee discount more than hanging out with me, anyway.
But I essentially told her that she has no right to judge me. She swore she wasn't, but I told her that yes, she WAS. "Well, if you wear a mask, people judge you by how you present yourself." I wear a mask around people I don't know if I can trust because obviously, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TRUST THEM! Then I told her that I want her to stop getting involved in my relationship with Danny. Yes, he may be your best friend, but you jump all over ME when something happens. "Well, you always put me in the middle and I'm sick of it!" When the hell did I put you in the middle? I don't normally complain to you about it to begin with, since you're obviously biased and "don't want to hear it," if I recall correctly from about December.
Finally, I told her that if she wants to talk to me, she pull me aside quietly. She doesn't yell it across the room in front of all our friends, "We need to talk, NOW," which was embarrassing and humiliating. I don't make scenes. I don't believe in airing dirty laundry in public, but apparently she doesn't care. Fucking idiot. Or as Carrie so eloquently put it..."Stupid bitch." Then she got all defensive and accusing and said that she didn't do it. "Tiffany, my sister was THERE. She even agrees that was uncalled for. I didn't appreciate it, and it pissed her off. It pissed her off that you even said that to her online last night."
"Well, you can't expect it to be a shock. I told you all of this then!"
"No, I consider it a shock when someone whom I considered a friend talks about me behind my back like that, and to my sister, no less."
Note that I was calm throughout the whole conversation and that she said I was getting all upset about it? I'm eerily calm when I'm furious. Of course, it pisses the other person off even more. (That's just an added bonus....^_^v)Jennifer even says that I put on the "ditz" mask because I'm intimidating when I'm being my normal, blunt self. Besides, if I do that, I know what people do and don't expect from me. They expect me to just sit there and take their bitching. They DON'T expect me to fight back, much less be absolutely furious with a VERY valid reason for it (which Tiffany vehemently denied that I had a good reason for being mad at her. Really now? Maybe you'd better ask everyone. Remember, I'm not in the habit of making scenes.) I hadn't even gotten *really* furious with her on the phone.
Finally, after I told her that my sister and I had had it with her attitude (oh, after she said that Danny's never talked to her about this and I should get him to first...damn right I will. With myself and Jennifer present), she said this was bullshit and she was hanging up. "That's fine, go ahead and hang up." I don't think she expected me to say that; I think she wanted the satisfaction of hanging up on me mid-sentence...so I'm pretty sure I took the wind out of her sails with that one.
I just wish I could've gotten this in before she hung up: "You know, you actually did me a favor."
"What's that?"
"You saved me the trouble of finding out who my real friends AREN'T."
She's not worth my time if she's going to act like a fucking 10 year old (she's 19) when I call her on her bullshit and be all petulant and defensive. I don't think I'll be seeing her at least until Danny comes home, because I'm sure as hell not going to be calling her. She wants to talk to me and admit that she was in the wrong, it's up to her. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. But she can't deny what she DID say, because my sister witnessed the entire damn thing.
Stupid fucking idiot. NEVER talk about someone behind their back with their SISTER! Blood is thicker than water.
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So, who thinks that Tiffany was in the right?
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"All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream." ~Edgar Allan Poe
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Princess Selene
AKA lady-selene
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She iIMed me right after I posted this. Does anyone else feel like she's trying to cover her ass and make it seem like none of it is her fault? I tried (MORE than tried, actually) to talk to her like adults and if she wants me to respect her after this, she'll have to act her age. I more than bent over backwards to talk to her here and hear her out, and she used it as an opportunity to go off again. I feel I was fully justified in telling her to act her age. Is it just me, or does she need to grow up, move on, and just live and let live?
*shakes head*
GROW UP AND ACT YOUR FUCKING AGE!!!
I'm through with her. She wants to be a bitch, and try to walk all over me, that's fine. But I'll be damned if she tries to ruin my relationship with Danny because she can't handle us teasing each other, even if it looks like we're arguing. She doesn't like it, she doesn't have to be there.
God, stop acting like you're still in high school, Tiffany. Your fucking holier-than-thou attitude disgusts me. I just hope you don't do this shit to the wrong person in the real world.
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: Can you hear me out for just a moment....... I feel like i'm being honest and blunt and i'm a true person. If you've had a "mask" on this whole time on who you really are, and i'm supposedly being judgemental. If you've had this mask on this whole time i've known you that means you've been fake since the day i met you on who you are. I cannot help to portray you as something you put yourself out to be. it's not my fault you have to be a fake person to see who you can trust, that just makes you not to be trusted. Cause how will i know now who the hell you really are????
: and the whole danny and you thing if i'm the only around you two when you guys are arguing whether it's playing or not, i didn't take it as playing, I feel disrespected by you and danny when you do that. So for me to say my opinion then told not to get in the middle of your problems with him. Then Don't argue with me that's all i ask, but if you guys can't do it and respect me, then i don't want to be around you two when you two are together.
: cause you have disrespected me and then go off on m e
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, around people I don't really know, I'm naturally cautious. That's a type of mask.
LadySerenity20: It takes time for me trust someone.
: 2 years
: thats bs
LadySerenity20: What I don't like is when someone talks about me behind my back.
LadySerenity20: I know you don't like it when someone does that to you, do you? Especially someone you consider a friend?
: hmmm as long as they say it to my face which i have said a hundred times to you, And you disrespect me to not take it into consideration. EVERYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT YOU I FIRST SAID TO YOUR FACE.
LadySerenity20: I realize that. But I still don't appreciate it.
: and you didn't even care
: when i said it to your face
: to have enough respect for me
: not to bring it around me
LadySerenity20: I do care to have enough respect for you. The problem is, I haven't asked you to jump in the middle about something that Danny and I have worked out because back in December, you said you didn't want to hear about it.
: I never said you were not smart either
: your very smart
LadySerenity20: that's what Jennifer interpreted it as, though.
: THEN YOU STILL BRING IT AROUND ME
: DON'T ARGUE AROUND ME
: YOU STILL DO
: no you can be an airhead
: you're very smart
LadySerenity20: actually, Tiff, on your graduation, we were in the car e and leaving when we argued.
LadySerenity20: and yes, I know I can be. But you also can be one too.
: dude the day befrore
LadySerenity20: the day before, Danny and I were pushing eachother's buttons on purpose. Honestly, we both think the other is cute when they're mad.
LadySerenity20: If you want him to talk to you about that, he's willing to.
LadySerenity20: because he agrees on that. He thinks it's funny. But if you'd like, we'll try harder not to do it around you, okay?
: WELL I DON'T SEE IT LIKE THAT I DON'T WANT EVEN "PLAYING AND PUSHING BUTTONS" AROUND ME, IT'S RUDE
: omg steph you just now agree to that i've asked for that a hundred time
LadySerenity20: then we'll try not to. We just think it's funny when we do it, and we don't realize that others don't see it that way.
: I've told you that i don't care for it around me anyway
: why r u just now getting that??
LadySerenity20: you know, being online doesn't really give us much of a chance to talk this out. Would face to face be better?
LadySerenity20: and actually, I got it a while ago.
: Then why is it still going on around me?
: 90% of the time i'm around you two
LadySerenity20: probably because it's habit by now for us.
: well then don't get all pissy when i say my opinion
LadySerenity20: habits, even if they're over weird things, are tough to break at first.
: you disrespect me
: by keep going on
: doing it
LadySerenity20: I wasn't being pissy about your opinion.
: you want me to butt out how can i when it's around me when i'm around you two
LadySerenity20: what I was trying to tell you on the phone was that I don't appreciate people talking to my sister, of all people, behind my back.
: be happy i didn't say something that ididn't say to your face
: before
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm not trying to be mad here. Don't get defensive.
: unless you forgot or weren't listening
: how can i not, you get defensive all the time
: I feel disrespected here
: and you don't want me to be defensiv
LadySerenity20: well, it's easy if your boyfriend's best friend jumps on *you*, not him, whenever we do our arguing thing.
LadySerenity20: we both feel disrespected here.
LadySerenity20: Yeah, it wasn't okay to argue in front of you in the car if you didn't like it,
: HMMM FIX THE PROBLEM THEN AND DON'T ARGUE AROUND ME
: SO DON'T BE SHOCKED
: WHEN I JUMP IN AT ALL
: NO MATTER WHO IT IS
LadySerenity20: but it wasn't okay for you to tell me in front of everyone that we needed to talk
LadySerenity20: and I'm not shocked.
LadySerenity20: I was wondering how long it would take you to talk to my sister, actually.
: sorry but at least that got your attention for once
: whatever
: steph
LadySerenity20: Tiff, I'm not trying to fight with you here.
: well i'm pissed
LadySerenity20: But I know you wouldn't appreciate someone talking behind your back.
: I don't care as long as they're honest with me about it first
LadySerenity20: If Danny and I were really in an argument though, you'd know.
: I DON"T CARE
: I TAKE IT AS ARGUING ALL THE TIME
: I DON'T WANT TO BE TTHERE FOR IT
: if it doesn't stop i DON'T want to be around you and danny at the same tiem
: Play and push buttons, argue whatever at another time
: when i'm not around
: Why couldn't you get that before when i've said it
LadySerenity20: I have, but like I said before, it's a habit.
LadySerenity20: and Danny knows it too.
LadySerenity20: Why don't you ever tell him, though? It's always my throat you're jumping down.
: well it's nice to know that a habit worth upseting and disrespecting a "friend"
: I do tell him
LadySerenity20: and it's almost like you're trying to make me cry when you do it.
: but it feels like you always initiate it
LadySerenity20: the problem is, even if he's initiated it, you may not have known it and have still jumped down my throat.
: well you dont' have enough respect for me then.... if you don't initiate it and i'm around you should be respectful enough to STOP it
: wow i've never had any problems with danny the whole 7 or 8 years i've known him until this
LadySerenity20: what, until his girlfriend?
: no until you 2 both started arguing in front of me constantly
LadySerenity20: there's never been one girl around long enough for you to get to know.
: realy
: think what you want
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, how well do you really know me?
: obviously not as well as i thought i did
: You just made me think of you in a even better light, disrespectful, fake, and rude
LadySerenity20: I'm not trying to fight with you here, so stop the attitude. I'm trying my hardest not to have one and to just talk to you. I'd appreciate if you tried to as well. I have enough respect for you for that.
LadySerenity20: but honestly, Tiff, if you think of me like that, then maybe you've actually done me a favor.
: Well i'm upset, sorry
: well think of what you've said to me
LadySerenity20: I like the fact that you're blunt and up front about it when you're angry.
LadySerenity20: but it's a teasing thing between myself and Danny.
LadySerenity20: I don't bring up things that you do that irritate me at times, because we all have our faults, and I accept that.
LadySerenity20: and I don't think that they're a big deal.
: Yeah i accept your faults I do love you both even though your airheads sometimes
LadySerenity20: well, I love you too even though you can be a pain in the ass at times too.
: I find it disrespectful when you don't stop doing it infront of me when you know i don't like it
: I wouldn't be if you had some respect
LadySerenity20: but if you want to know, sometimes it feels like you're friends with me because of my employee discount that I have.
LadySerenity20: and like I told you, I'll talk to him and we'll try harder not to do it around you, okay?
: lol no....hmmmm just this month i've gone and used it with you
: yeah right
: why now
: ??
: what's so different when i'm all upset and pissed now then before when i've said it
: ??
LadySerenity20: well, as far as I know, everyone doesn't have a problem with it because they know we're teasing. You're the only one that has been upset.
LadySerenity20: but if it means that much to you, we'll try harder.
: that isn't what people are saying to me
LadySerenity20: that's really all I can promise.
: i'm not the only person annoyed with it
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm also just talking to you, not other people.
LadySerenity20: If they want to tell me that, then they can.
LadySerenity20: but if they're annoyed with it, they can tell me, because I know everyone has my number or his.
LadySerenity20: I'm trying to work this out with you, if you're willing to do so.
: i understand that....but you just saidwell, as far as I know, everyone doesn't have a problem with it because they know we're teasing. You're the only one that has been upset, when actually i'm the only one who has enough balls to talk to you about in general no couple should argue when other are around whether playing or not, if they want to have some respect for other people, and not to have people getting in the middle
: I will but you just upset me bad
LadySerenity20: Tiff, I haven't tried to put you in the middle intentionally since December because if I recall correctly, you "didn't want to hear it." Danny and I work things out on our own if we have a fight. It's just irritating when if Danny and I are teasing, it feels like there's three in the relationship rather than two.
: Well then you should of had some common sense and not do it around me that would'
LadySerenity20: all I'm asking is that you don't criticize or just jump down my throat. Every time you do, it feels like you're judging, when in reality, none of us have any right to do so. Live and let live.
: ve fixe it
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm not the only one doing it here, though. Danny is too.
: I understand that, i've told him my opinion to
LadySerenity20: you're essentially saying I'm to blame, like it always feels like you are.
: i sent him an email right after i got off the phone with you.
LadySerenity20: Danny doesn't have email access until he comes home.
: well right now beyond what i've done should i just call him and confront him with something he already knows my opinion about, and jump down his throat too, Would that make you feel bettter?
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, stop it.
: well that's what it sounds like
LadySerenity20: honestly, you're not acting your age right now. That is not what I meant, and you know it. If you want us to do something or stop something, talk to us together.
: omg i have
LadySerenity20: I'd like to talk without getting angry.
: I wasn't until nwo
LadySerenity20: but Tiffany, you know that all couples in general argue. It's a part of all relationships and growth in one.
: until you get all pissy with me and tell me i'm being judgemental
LadySerenity20: all couples tease.
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, Jennifer said you were.
: i understand that...
: but couples should have some respect
LadySerenity20: I said it sounded like you were, Jennifer said you *were*.
: and do it at a better time when there's not one person alone with them
: and has nothing to do but hear it
LadySerenity20: we do have respect for you, but it's kind of confusing when you tell us you don't want to hear it, but then you jump into it and get involved when we're teasing each other.
LadySerenity20: That's what puzzles me here.
: well it sounds like your arguing
: what puzzles you about it
: i don't like it
: around me
: i think it's rude
ShortCutie83: to sit there and "push eachothers buttons" for fun
: cause it's cute when you two get mad
ShortCutie83: i dont' find it cute
: especially around me
LadySerenity20: If it sounds like it, I'm sorry. We're both partially right here, and we're both partially wrong. I know we're not going to a concrete agreement, so why don't we just agree to disagree. Danny and I will try not to do it around you, and you could try to not get involved. We think it's cute because we know we're not really getting mad at each other. We've always done this, even before we started dating. You didn't meet me until after Danny and I were dating.
: what dont' you get, and what puzzles you? WOW BULLSHIT ON THAT STEPH......I knew you awhile before you two dated
: at least 6 months or more
: wow that's a huge lie
LadySerenity20: I met you once or twice before he and I started dating, Tiff.
: you told me you didn't see him like that the 2nd time i met you
LadySerenity20: and not for very long.
: hmmmmm no you met me just 2 times before you and danny date and you cameover to my house a few times
: before that
: right?
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, does that have any bearing on what we're discussing, though?
LadySerenity20: I know I came over to your house about a year or so ago for the party.
LadySerenity20: I liked Danny then.
: Then why did you jsut say that you didn't know me until you two dated and the whole time I "knew" you you guys have always been like that
LadySerenity20: however, if you'll ask him or anyone else that I've grown up with, I don't trust people that fast because of previous relationships.
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I didn't say that you knew we were like that.
: you did
LadySerenity20: All I said was that we did do that in the beginning, too.
LadySerenity20: but we also didn't start really hanging out with you with both of us at the same time until later.
LadySerenity20: so you see it now because we hang out with you a lot when we're together.
: right, i met you through him
: and when you're not
LadySerenity20: I know, because I met you through him as well.
ShortCutie83: but you're jsut pissing me more off
: and i'm going to go now so i can try to cool down cause i feel your just disrespectful and don't care about anyone but yourself
: so bye
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, if you've known me for that long then, then you should know some of the fronts I'll put up. Everyone puts them up.
: I dont'
: bye
signed off at 1:32:30 PM.
Damn, someone's acting like a prissy, stuck-up little bitch. If it doesn't directly involve you, stay out of it. I don't need your little backstabbing, bitchy attitude. I have friends that actually know what "act your age" entails. I know 15 year olds that display more maturity than the lack of what was shown here from her.
Mika, I've talked to him about it. He's not happy to say the least, but he's also at Ft. Lewis until the 27th and then at Ft. Benning until August 8th. He can't do much until he gets home. However, he does agree that we had resolved this beforehand and that it was pointless for her to chew me out for something that was between me and him in our relationship. Hell, at her graduation and her party, I saved my outburst for when we were alone in his damn car! If it doesn't involve you, keep your damn nose out of it! If it was your business, we'd make you the damn mediator that you swear you *always* are.
My sister mentioned something interesting, though. She said that Tiffany feels like I'm taking away her brother, her best friend, in a sense. Right now, I'm just shaking my head at her stupidity. I just got off the phone with her after I told her I couldn't go swimming, and then I mentioned that I knew what she had told my sister. Let's see, who's the airhead here? Me, who's getting my four year degree, doesn't drink or smoke, and has common sense? Or her, who's living with her boyfriend (a very sweet guy, btw), living in an apartment, and can't save money to save her life? Lately she's been using my employee discount more than hanging out with me, anyway.
But I essentially told her that she has no right to judge me. She swore she wasn't, but I told her that yes, she WAS. "Well, if you wear a mask, people judge you by how you present yourself." I wear a mask around people I don't know if I can trust because obviously, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TRUST THEM! Then I told her that I want her to stop getting involved in my relationship with Danny. Yes, he may be your best friend, but you jump all over ME when something happens. "Well, you always put me in the middle and I'm sick of it!" When the hell did I put you in the middle? I don't normally complain to you about it to begin with, since you're obviously biased and "don't want to hear it," if I recall correctly from about December.
Finally, I told her that if she wants to talk to me, she pull me aside quietly. She doesn't yell it across the room in front of all our friends, "We need to talk, NOW," which was embarrassing and humiliating. I don't make scenes. I don't believe in airing dirty laundry in public, but apparently she doesn't care. Fucking idiot. Or as Carrie so eloquently put it..."Stupid bitch." Then she got all defensive and accusing and said that she didn't do it. "Tiffany, my sister was THERE. She even agrees that was uncalled for. I didn't appreciate it, and it pissed her off. It pissed her off that you even said that to her online last night."
"Well, you can't expect it to be a shock. I told you all of this then!"
"No, I consider it a shock when someone whom I considered a friend talks about me behind my back like that, and to my sister, no less."
Note that I was calm throughout the whole conversation and that she said I was getting all upset about it? I'm eerily calm when I'm furious. Of course, it pisses the other person off even more. (That's just an added bonus....^_^v)Jennifer even says that I put on the "ditz" mask because I'm intimidating when I'm being my normal, blunt self. Besides, if I do that, I know what people do and don't expect from me. They expect me to just sit there and take their bitching. They DON'T expect me to fight back, much less be absolutely furious with a VERY valid reason for it (which Tiffany vehemently denied that I had a good reason for being mad at her. Really now? Maybe you'd better ask everyone. Remember, I'm not in the habit of making scenes.) I hadn't even gotten *really* furious with her on the phone.
Finally, after I told her that my sister and I had had it with her attitude (oh, after she said that Danny's never talked to her about this and I should get him to first...damn right I will. With myself and Jennifer present), she said this was bullshit and she was hanging up. "That's fine, go ahead and hang up." I don't think she expected me to say that; I think she wanted the satisfaction of hanging up on me mid-sentence...so I'm pretty sure I took the wind out of her sails with that one.
I just wish I could've gotten this in before she hung up: "You know, you actually did me a favor."
"What's that?"
"You saved me the trouble of finding out who my real friends AREN'T."
She's not worth my time if she's going to act like a fucking 10 year old (she's 19) when I call her on her bullshit and be all petulant and defensive. I don't think I'll be seeing her at least until Danny comes home, because I'm sure as hell not going to be calling her. She wants to talk to me and admit that she was in the wrong, it's up to her. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. But she can't deny what she DID say, because my sister witnessed the entire damn thing.
Stupid fucking idiot. NEVER talk about someone behind their back with their SISTER! Blood is thicker than water.
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So, who thinks that Tiffany was in the right?
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"It's not an easy job being a princess, but somebody's got to do it."
"All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream." ~Edgar Allan Poe
"Where we once were divided/ Now we stand united/ We stand as one.../ Undivided." ~Bon Jovi, "Undivided"
"Those of you who think you know everything are beginning to annoy those of us who do." ~Dragonwarrior VII
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Posts: 853 | Registered: Monday, March 25th 2002
Princess Selene
AKA lady-selene
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posted July 16, 2003 5:01 PM View User's MoonJournal
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She iIMed me right after I posted this. Does anyone else feel like she's trying to cover her ass and make it seem like none of it is her fault? I tried (MORE than tried, actually) to talk to her like adults and if she wants me to respect her after this, she'll have to act her age. I more than bent over backwards to talk to her here and hear her out, and she used it as an opportunity to go off again. I feel I was fully justified in telling her to act her age. Is it just me, or does she need to grow up, move on, and just live and let live?
*shakes head*
GROW UP AND ACT YOUR FUCKING AGE!!!
I'm through with her. She wants to be a bitch, and try to walk all over me, that's fine. But I'll be damned if she tries to ruin my relationship with Danny because she can't handle us teasing each other, even if it looks like we're arguing. She doesn't like it, she doesn't have to be there.
God, stop acting like you're still in high school, Tiffany. Your fucking holier-than-thou attitude disgusts me. I just hope you don't do this shit to the wrong person in the real world.
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: Can you hear me out for just a moment....... I feel like i'm being honest and blunt and i'm a true person. If you've had a "mask" on this whole time on who you really are, and i'm supposedly being judgemental. If you've had this mask on this whole time i've known you that means you've been fake since the day i met you on who you are. I cannot help to portray you as something you put yourself out to be. it's not my fault you have to be a fake person to see who you can trust, that just makes you not to be trusted. Cause how will i know now who the hell you really are????
: and the whole danny and you thing if i'm the only around you two when you guys are arguing whether it's playing or not, i didn't take it as playing, I feel disrespected by you and danny when you do that. So for me to say my opinion then told not to get in the middle of your problems with him. Then Don't argue with me that's all i ask, but if you guys can't do it and respect me, then i don't want to be around you two when you two are together.
: cause you have disrespected me and then go off on m e
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, around people I don't really know, I'm naturally cautious. That's a type of mask.
LadySerenity20: It takes time for me trust someone.
: 2 years
: thats bs
LadySerenity20: What I don't like is when someone talks about me behind my back.
LadySerenity20: I know you don't like it when someone does that to you, do you? Especially someone you consider a friend?
: hmmm as long as they say it to my face which i have said a hundred times to you, And you disrespect me to not take it into consideration. EVERYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT YOU I FIRST SAID TO YOUR FACE.
LadySerenity20: I realize that. But I still don't appreciate it.
: and you didn't even care
: when i said it to your face
: to have enough respect for me
: not to bring it around me
LadySerenity20: I do care to have enough respect for you. The problem is, I haven't asked you to jump in the middle about something that Danny and I have worked out because back in December, you said you didn't want to hear about it.
: I never said you were not smart either
: your very smart
LadySerenity20: that's what Jennifer interpreted it as, though.
: THEN YOU STILL BRING IT AROUND ME
: DON'T ARGUE AROUND ME
: YOU STILL DO
: no you can be an airhead
: you're very smart
LadySerenity20: actually, Tiff, on your graduation, we were in the car e and leaving when we argued.
LadySerenity20: and yes, I know I can be. But you also can be one too.
: dude the day befrore
LadySerenity20: the day before, Danny and I were pushing eachother's buttons on purpose. Honestly, we both think the other is cute when they're mad.
LadySerenity20: If you want him to talk to you about that, he's willing to.
LadySerenity20: because he agrees on that. He thinks it's funny. But if you'd like, we'll try harder not to do it around you, okay?
: WELL I DON'T SEE IT LIKE THAT I DON'T WANT EVEN "PLAYING AND PUSHING BUTTONS" AROUND ME, IT'S RUDE
: omg steph you just now agree to that i've asked for that a hundred time
LadySerenity20: then we'll try not to. We just think it's funny when we do it, and we don't realize that others don't see it that way.
: I've told you that i don't care for it around me anyway
: why r u just now getting that??
LadySerenity20: you know, being online doesn't really give us much of a chance to talk this out. Would face to face be better?
LadySerenity20: and actually, I got it a while ago.
: Then why is it still going on around me?
: 90% of the time i'm around you two
LadySerenity20: probably because it's habit by now for us.
: well then don't get all pissy when i say my opinion
LadySerenity20: habits, even if they're over weird things, are tough to break at first.
: you disrespect me
: by keep going on
: doing it
LadySerenity20: I wasn't being pissy about your opinion.
: you want me to butt out how can i when it's around me when i'm around you two
LadySerenity20: what I was trying to tell you on the phone was that I don't appreciate people talking to my sister, of all people, behind my back.
: be happy i didn't say something that ididn't say to your face
: before
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm not trying to be mad here. Don't get defensive.
: unless you forgot or weren't listening
: how can i not, you get defensive all the time
: I feel disrespected here
: and you don't want me to be defensiv
LadySerenity20: well, it's easy if your boyfriend's best friend jumps on *you*, not him, whenever we do our arguing thing.
LadySerenity20: we both feel disrespected here.
LadySerenity20: Yeah, it wasn't okay to argue in front of you in the car if you didn't like it,
: HMMM FIX THE PROBLEM THEN AND DON'T ARGUE AROUND ME
: SO DON'T BE SHOCKED
: WHEN I JUMP IN AT ALL
: NO MATTER WHO IT IS
LadySerenity20: but it wasn't okay for you to tell me in front of everyone that we needed to talk
LadySerenity20: and I'm not shocked.
LadySerenity20: I was wondering how long it would take you to talk to my sister, actually.
: sorry but at least that got your attention for once
: whatever
: steph
LadySerenity20: Tiff, I'm not trying to fight with you here.
: well i'm pissed
LadySerenity20: But I know you wouldn't appreciate someone talking behind your back.
: I don't care as long as they're honest with me about it first
LadySerenity20: If Danny and I were really in an argument though, you'd know.
: I DON"T CARE
: I TAKE IT AS ARGUING ALL THE TIME
: I DON'T WANT TO BE TTHERE FOR IT
: if it doesn't stop i DON'T want to be around you and danny at the same tiem
: Play and push buttons, argue whatever at another time
: when i'm not around
: Why couldn't you get that before when i've said it
LadySerenity20: I have, but like I said before, it's a habit.
LadySerenity20: and Danny knows it too.
LadySerenity20: Why don't you ever tell him, though? It's always my throat you're jumping down.
: well it's nice to know that a habit worth upseting and disrespecting a "friend"
: I do tell him
LadySerenity20: and it's almost like you're trying to make me cry when you do it.
: but it feels like you always initiate it
LadySerenity20: the problem is, even if he's initiated it, you may not have known it and have still jumped down my throat.
: well you dont' have enough respect for me then.... if you don't initiate it and i'm around you should be respectful enough to STOP it
: wow i've never had any problems with danny the whole 7 or 8 years i've known him until this
LadySerenity20: what, until his girlfriend?
: no until you 2 both started arguing in front of me constantly
LadySerenity20: there's never been one girl around long enough for you to get to know.
: realy
: think what you want
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, how well do you really know me?
: obviously not as well as i thought i did
: You just made me think of you in a even better light, disrespectful, fake, and rude
LadySerenity20: I'm not trying to fight with you here, so stop the attitude. I'm trying my hardest not to have one and to just talk to you. I'd appreciate if you tried to as well. I have enough respect for you for that.
LadySerenity20: but honestly, Tiff, if you think of me like that, then maybe you've actually done me a favor.
: Well i'm upset, sorry
: well think of what you've said to me
LadySerenity20: I like the fact that you're blunt and up front about it when you're angry.
LadySerenity20: but it's a teasing thing between myself and Danny.
LadySerenity20: I don't bring up things that you do that irritate me at times, because we all have our faults, and I accept that.
LadySerenity20: and I don't think that they're a big deal.
: Yeah i accept your faults I do love you both even though your airheads sometimes
LadySerenity20: well, I love you too even though you can be a pain in the ass at times too.
: I find it disrespectful when you don't stop doing it infront of me when you know i don't like it
: I wouldn't be if you had some respect
LadySerenity20: but if you want to know, sometimes it feels like you're friends with me because of my employee discount that I have.
LadySerenity20: and like I told you, I'll talk to him and we'll try harder not to do it around you, okay?
: lol no....hmmmm just this month i've gone and used it with you
: yeah right
: why now
: ??
: what's so different when i'm all upset and pissed now then before when i've said it
: ??
LadySerenity20: well, as far as I know, everyone doesn't have a problem with it because they know we're teasing. You're the only one that has been upset.
LadySerenity20: but if it means that much to you, we'll try harder.
: that isn't what people are saying to me
LadySerenity20: that's really all I can promise.
: i'm not the only person annoyed with it
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm also just talking to you, not other people.
LadySerenity20: If they want to tell me that, then they can.
LadySerenity20: but if they're annoyed with it, they can tell me, because I know everyone has my number or his.
LadySerenity20: I'm trying to work this out with you, if you're willing to do so.
: i understand that....but you just saidwell, as far as I know, everyone doesn't have a problem with it because they know we're teasing. You're the only one that has been upset, when actually i'm the only one who has enough balls to talk to you about in general no couple should argue when other are around whether playing or not, if they want to have some respect for other people, and not to have people getting in the middle
: I will but you just upset me bad
LadySerenity20: Tiff, I haven't tried to put you in the middle intentionally since December because if I recall correctly, you "didn't want to hear it." Danny and I work things out on our own if we have a fight. It's just irritating when if Danny and I are teasing, it feels like there's three in the relationship rather than two.
: Well then you should of had some common sense and not do it around me that would'
LadySerenity20: all I'm asking is that you don't criticize or just jump down my throat. Every time you do, it feels like you're judging, when in reality, none of us have any right to do so. Live and let live.
: ve fixe it
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I'm not the only one doing it here, though. Danny is too.
: I understand that, i've told him my opinion to
LadySerenity20: you're essentially saying I'm to blame, like it always feels like you are.
: i sent him an email right after i got off the phone with you.
LadySerenity20: Danny doesn't have email access until he comes home.
: well right now beyond what i've done should i just call him and confront him with something he already knows my opinion about, and jump down his throat too, Would that make you feel bettter?
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, stop it.
: well that's what it sounds like
LadySerenity20: honestly, you're not acting your age right now. That is not what I meant, and you know it. If you want us to do something or stop something, talk to us together.
: omg i have
LadySerenity20: I'd like to talk without getting angry.
: I wasn't until nwo
LadySerenity20: but Tiffany, you know that all couples in general argue. It's a part of all relationships and growth in one.
: until you get all pissy with me and tell me i'm being judgemental
LadySerenity20: all couples tease.
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, Jennifer said you were.
: i understand that...
: but couples should have some respect
LadySerenity20: I said it sounded like you were, Jennifer said you *were*.
: and do it at a better time when there's not one person alone with them
: and has nothing to do but hear it
LadySerenity20: we do have respect for you, but it's kind of confusing when you tell us you don't want to hear it, but then you jump into it and get involved when we're teasing each other.
LadySerenity20: That's what puzzles me here.
: well it sounds like your arguing
: what puzzles you about it
: i don't like it
: around me
: i think it's rude
ShortCutie83: to sit there and "push eachothers buttons" for fun
: cause it's cute when you two get mad
ShortCutie83: i dont' find it cute
: especially around me
LadySerenity20: If it sounds like it, I'm sorry. We're both partially right here, and we're both partially wrong. I know we're not going to a concrete agreement, so why don't we just agree to disagree. Danny and I will try not to do it around you, and you could try to not get involved. We think it's cute because we know we're not really getting mad at each other. We've always done this, even before we started dating. You didn't meet me until after Danny and I were dating.
: what dont' you get, and what puzzles you? WOW BULLSHIT ON THAT STEPH......I knew you awhile before you two dated
: at least 6 months or more
: wow that's a huge lie
LadySerenity20: I met you once or twice before he and I started dating, Tiff.
: you told me you didn't see him like that the 2nd time i met you
LadySerenity20: and not for very long.
: hmmmmm no you met me just 2 times before you and danny date and you cameover to my house a few times
: before that
: right?
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, does that have any bearing on what we're discussing, though?
LadySerenity20: I know I came over to your house about a year or so ago for the party.
LadySerenity20: I liked Danny then.
: Then why did you jsut say that you didn't know me until you two dated and the whole time I "knew" you you guys have always been like that
LadySerenity20: however, if you'll ask him or anyone else that I've grown up with, I don't trust people that fast because of previous relationships.
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, I didn't say that you knew we were like that.
: you did
LadySerenity20: All I said was that we did do that in the beginning, too.
LadySerenity20: but we also didn't start really hanging out with you with both of us at the same time until later.
LadySerenity20: so you see it now because we hang out with you a lot when we're together.
: right, i met you through him
: and when you're not
LadySerenity20: I know, because I met you through him as well.
ShortCutie83: but you're jsut pissing me more off
: and i'm going to go now so i can try to cool down cause i feel your just disrespectful and don't care about anyone but yourself
: so bye
LadySerenity20: Tiffany, if you've known me for that long then, then you should know some of the fronts I'll put up. Everyone puts them up.
: I dont'
: bye
signed off at 1:32:30 PM.
Damn, someone's acting like a prissy, stuck-up little bitch. If it doesn't directly involve you, stay out of it. I don't need your little backstabbing, bitchy attitude. I have friends that actually know what "act your age" entails. I know 15 year olds that display more maturity than the lack of what was shown here from her.