Let's be real, Redick doesn not have the physical attributes to compete at the NBA level, his only asset is a Pure three. That's about it. He has no handles-he dribbles entirely too high, and he's too small to play 2 guard in the NBA. his game is coming off screens-and he's not quick enough to do that in the NBA. His defense is suspectDon't even say Grant Hill, Boozer, Deng, DUHON? AHAHAHAA, Battier-this was one of the most catsout of Duke besides Lattener.
Duhon is not a starter. Boozer has been injury plagued the last two seasons-AND has only started six games this year. Grant Hill-is a washed up ex-star that ought to retire to tell you the truth. Battier-is averaging 10-5 a night---wouldn't be on my fantasy basketball team. Maggette and Brand- you wouldn't have mentioned them at all in the past-you know as well as i that the Clippers are the laughingstock of the league, they have one good season and people jump on the bandwagon. We'll see what happens in april. Dunleavy--plays for Golden State-enough said. Won't see his ass on sportscenter.
The lesson is that as hyped up as all of these players were when they came out of College-they are NOT superstars-or anywhere near to the level that they played in college. Am I right? You cannot deny the fact that Duke has a long tradition of players being huge stars in college and amounting to nothing but support/bench men in the NBA unless they start for shitty teams.
Plus Duke is the most dick-rode team in college football. Why shouldn't i be able to celebrate their defeat, trust me I go to Miami I know what it means to be hated, but then again Miami football players actually amount to shit in the NFL.
Actually, he's not. He's the same height as Dwyane Wade, Kirk Hinrich, and others.
"Duhon is not a starter."
Actually, he has been. He recorded the first triple-double of the NBA season. Every one of his critics has recanted.
"Boozer has been injury plagued the last two seasons-AND has only started six games this year."
Funny, he played almost 3/4ths of the year last year, more than other celebrated stars. Also, ever since recovering from his injury, he's been on a rampage, averaging over 23 and 10.
"Grant Hill-is a washed up ex-star that ought to retire to tell you the truth."
Funny, until this year's injury, he WAS a legitimate all-star, averaging 20 and 5 last season. He keeps getting injured, yet keeps coming back at an All-Star quality. For a dude as old as he is, he can still ball. Any team would give their right nut to have Grant Hill in their lineup.
"Battier-is averaging 10-5 a night---wouldn't be on my fantasy basketball team."
He's also a defensive specialist playing on a team where the scoring is very evenly distributed. Good try though.
"Maggette and Brand- you wouldn't have mentioned them at all in the past"
Actually, I would have. Last year, Maggette averaged 22, 6, and 3-- all-star numbers. Brand averaged 20 and 10-- all-star numbers.
"-you know as well as i that the Clippers are the laughingstock of the league, they have one good season and people jump on the bandwagon. We'll see what happens in april."
Actually, I would call the Knicks the laughing stock of the league. And their good season is because of MVP-candidate Elton Brand, averaging 25 and 10 this time around.
"Dunleavy--plays for Golden State-enough said. Won't see his ass on sportscenter."
Funny, he got signed to a 50+ million dollar contract.
Again, good tries on all of your counts, but you don't do your homework Amir. Even recent Duke players like Luol Deng and lesser Duke players like Daniel Ewing are getting QUALITY playing time in the league. VERY few teams have more players currently in the NBA. Until last year, UNC didn't even have as many players as us in the big league. Only Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC have more active players in the league by my quick count. And by my count, that ain't nearly half bad.
Yes, but with the exception of the Clippers-with this being their first good season in how many years? None of these players are competing on a higher level. These are not household names-no one outside of NBA fanatics gives a rats ass about these players-you got lucky with the Clippers being decent this year-but in past years- yes the Clippers have been the laughingstock of the league. Take your duke goggles off for a second. the only all star of the bunch was Brand I believe-and how many on the list of duke players were All-Americans at some point when playing at Duke. That means they are supposed to be the best of the best coming into the NBA draft. That's what it means to me anyway.
Golden State continues to make bad decisions-and hell Steve Francis got paid out the ass and I think we can all agree that that was a bad decision.
AlsoI wouldn't mention Redick in the same sentance with. D-Wade. D-Wade is on a whole different plane than Redick will ever be-talk about a guy with moves-clutch-handles-midrange shot-defense total package-thats a 2 guard. Redick not so much.
The point you failed to see was that Duke has some of the most hyped players in the history of the college game-and they never live up to the expectations when they graduate to the big games. Don't catch feelings-it's simply the truth-they act like Boozer and Battier are the next MJ.
How many of these teams have above 500 records? The point is that these duke "stars" don't have the impact on the league that you would think. The way to get rid of the hate is to not hype up your team so much that they end up getting waxed by a team that they're supposed to beat.
By the way-i didn't actually make the wallpaper-i found it somewhere and thought it was funny. But until one of these hyped players makes a huge impact in the league for consecutive years--i will continue to see that Duke is just a media darling team that doesn't produce superstars in the NBA.
But do you realize how many players from EVERY team, including UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. bomb after being all-Americans in the NCAA? The point is that Duke's success rate in the NBA is no lower than anyone else's, it's just that everyone hates Duke and loves to see them fail.
"Yes, but with the exception of the Clippers-with this being their first good season in how many years? None of these players are competing on a higher level."
Actually, they are. This is professional basketball. What "higher level" do you want these cats to compete on?
"These are not household names-no one outside of NBA fanatics gives a rats ass about these players"
How many people outside of NBA fanatics can name more than twenty all-stars right now? None. Just because they don't have the big personalities of a Kobe, an AI, a Lebron, doesn't mean they're not legitimate. Gilbert Arenas is not a well-known all-star. Pau Gasol is not a well-known all-star. If Jermaine O'Neal hadn't have punched that dude, no one would know who he is. So your point is moot.
"-you got lucky with the Clippers being decent this year-but in past years- yes the Clippers have been the laughingstock of the league."
Your point you had made is The lesson is that as hyped up as all of these players were when they came out of College-they are NOT superstars-or anywhere near to the level that they played in college. Am I right? You cannot deny the fact that Duke has a long tradition of players being huge stars in college and amounting to nothing but support/bench men in the NBA unless they start for shitty teams." And the point is nullified because Elton Brand and Corey Maggette, two DUKE PLAYERS, took a bad team and made it good. They are playing OVER the level they played in college.
"Take your duke goggles off for a second. the only all star of the bunch was Brand I believe-and how many on the list of duke players were All-Americans at some point when playing at Duke. That means they are supposed to be the best of the best coming into the NBA draft. That's what it means to me anyway."
All-American does NOT translate to "best of the best coming into the NBA draft". NBA scouts will tell you this. This is why players who are NOT all-Americans like Aldridge and Noah are being considered for the #1 pick. That's why National Player of the Year Jameer Nelson was drafted at something like #20. They draft based on athleticism and talent. The fact that Duke gets so many all-Americans and has had such astounding success speaks to how good of a coach Krzyzewski is. On a team like Kansas, Chris Carrawell would have been a 4th option at best. But Coach K turned him into a good college baller and he led the team to consecutive Sweet 16s, ACC championships, etc., in a era when ACC basketball was TOUGH (the Tim Duncan-Vince Carter-Steve Francis era).
"Golden State continues to make bad decisions-and hell Steve Francis got paid out the ass and I think we can all agree that that was a bad decision."
Of course it is. But the point is that Duke players are desired in the NBA, start on teams, and make a good living.
"AlsoI wouldn't mention Redick in the same sentance with. D-Wade. D-Wade is on a whole different plane than Redick will ever be-talk about a guy with moves-clutch-handles-midrange shot-defense total package-thats a 2 guard. Redick not so much."
Yes, but the point is that there ARE 2 guards that can shoot the 3 that don't have handles. Think of Steve Kerr. When on a team with a star, Kerr was NASTY behind the arc. If JJ played with AI, or Lebron, or Melo, or some really great team leader, JJ could be a deadly scoring option.
"The point you failed to see was that Duke has some of the most hyped players in the history of the college game-and they never live up to the expectations when they graduate to the big games. Don't catch feelings-it's simply the truth-they act like Boozer and Battier are the next MJ."
Has anyone ever said Shane Battier was the next MJ? LOL dude, you're catching feelings at Duke's success. The reason why Shane Battier was such a good story was because he was such an unlikely star. No one expected him to even make it in the big leagues at ALL, much less be a defensive leader on a team and average double digit points.
2, and if you consider records of team that are 450 (just one or two games behind), then 5. Not shabby at all.
"The point is that these duke "stars" don't have the impact on the league that you would think."
They don't have a big impact on the league. I can name maybe 12. players with impact. AI, Kobe, Lebron, Melo, D-Wade, Shaq, Yao, Dirk, Brand, Nash, Duncan, Billups. The layman who doesn't follow the NBA can name maybe 7 of those, tops. Half of those players didn't go to college or weren't big names in college (only AI, Melo, Wade, Shaq, Brand and Duncan were famous in college). So you're a fool to think every all-American Duke has should be a star, because only one or two legitimate stars emerges from the draft each year.
"The way to get rid of the hate is to not hype up your team so much that they end up getting waxed by a team that they're supposed to beat."
Many people had LSU beating Duke, because they were strong in Duke's weaknesses: athleticism and post presence. I thought Duke's seniority would beat LSU's very young team, but I was wrong. *shrugs* If you follow the hype, you should hate about 20 teams right now.
"By the way-i didn't actually make the wallpaper-i found it somewhere and thought it was funny. But until one of these hyped players makes a huge impact in the league for consecutive years--i will continue to see that Duke is just a media darling team that doesn't produce superstars in the NBA."
You do know that college basketball is NOT meant to just tailor players for a life of professional basketball, right? You DO know this, yes? And you can't say Duke is a media darling team, because we have the incredible astounding success rate in the past 25 years to back up any attention the media gives us. The same way that UConn, UNC, and Kentucky get a lot of media: because they are consistently great teams (well, Kentucky up to this year anyhow).
Duke is the most successful program in college basketball, so of COURSE they're going to have more all-Americans than any other school. What you need to realize is college basketball and pro basketball are two different monsters, and tailoring your players to play in the NBA doesn't mean success on a college level (see: AI, Tim Duncan, Shaq). The best coaches (Roy Williams, Calhoun, Izzo, Coach K) focus on COLLEGE basketball, not the pros.
With your impossible standards, even Calhoun and Williams must be viewed as "overhyped" for getting a lot of talented college players praise and then they don't live up to that same level in the big league. Who IS a success to you, Amir? If you think Duke is a media darling, I challenge you to name a team with more success in the past 20 years.
The point is, if you're gonna hate on Duke, at least use something better than the old "they don't succeed in the NBA" because they do, at about the same consistency rate at other great colleges or better. Most people I know hate Dukies for THREE reasons: 1. They're white. 2. They come from a life of privilege. 3. They are so fucking successful.
Choose a battle that is actually understandable. Don't babble on with some bullshit that doesn't apply anymore by using an argument from 1989.
Duhon is not a starter.
Boozer has been injury plagued the last two seasons-AND has only started six games this year.
Grant Hill-is a washed up ex-star that ought to retire to tell you the truth.
Battier-is averaging 10-5 a night---wouldn't be on my fantasy basketball team.
Maggette and Brand- you wouldn't have mentioned them at all in the past-you know as well as i that the Clippers are the laughingstock of the league, they have one good season and people jump on the bandwagon. We'll see what happens in april.
Dunleavy--plays for Golden State-enough said. Won't see his ass on sportscenter.
The lesson is that as hyped up as all of these players were when they came out of College-they are NOT superstars-or anywhere near to the level that they played in college. Am I right? You cannot deny the fact that Duke has a long tradition of players being huge stars in college and amounting to nothing but support/bench men in the NBA unless they start for shitty teams.
Plus Duke is the most dick-rode team in college football. Why shouldn't i be able to celebrate their defeat, trust me I go to Miami I know what it means to be hated, but then again Miami football players actually amount to shit in the NFL.
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Actually, he's not. He's the same height as Dwyane Wade, Kirk Hinrich, and others.
"Duhon is not a starter."
Actually, he has been. He recorded the first triple-double of the NBA season. Every one of his critics has recanted.
"Boozer has been injury plagued the last two seasons-AND has only started six games this year."
Funny, he played almost 3/4ths of the year last year, more than other celebrated stars. Also, ever since recovering from his injury, he's been on a rampage, averaging over 23 and 10.
"Grant Hill-is a washed up ex-star that ought to retire to tell you the truth."
Funny, until this year's injury, he WAS a legitimate all-star, averaging 20 and 5 last season. He keeps getting injured, yet keeps coming back at an All-Star quality. For a dude as old as he is, he can still ball. Any team would give their right nut to have Grant Hill in their lineup.
"Battier-is averaging 10-5 a night---wouldn't be on my fantasy basketball team."
He's also a defensive specialist playing on a team where the scoring is very evenly distributed. Good try though.
"Maggette and Brand- you wouldn't have mentioned them at all in the past"
Actually, I would have. Last year, Maggette averaged 22, 6, and 3-- all-star numbers. Brand averaged 20 and 10-- all-star numbers.
"-you know as well as i that the Clippers are the laughingstock of the league, they have one good season and people jump on the bandwagon. We'll see what happens in april."
Actually, I would call the Knicks the laughing stock of the league. And their good season is because of MVP-candidate Elton Brand, averaging 25 and 10 this time around.
"Dunleavy--plays for Golden State-enough said. Won't see his ass on sportscenter."
Funny, he got signed to a 50+ million dollar contract.
Again, good tries on all of your counts, but you don't do your homework Amir. Even recent Duke players like Luol Deng and lesser Duke players like Daniel Ewing are getting QUALITY playing time in the league. VERY few teams have more players currently in the NBA. Until last year, UNC didn't even have as many players as us in the big league. Only Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC have more active players in the league by my quick count. And by my count, that ain't nearly half bad.
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Golden State continues to make bad decisions-and hell Steve Francis got paid out the ass and I think we can all agree that that was a bad decision.
AlsoI wouldn't mention Redick in the same sentance with. D-Wade. D-Wade is on a whole different plane than Redick will ever be-talk about a guy with moves-clutch-handles-midrange shot-defense total package-thats a 2 guard. Redick not so much.
The point you failed to see was that Duke has some of the most hyped players in the history of the college game-and they never live up to the expectations when they graduate to the big games. Don't catch feelings-it's simply the truth-they act like Boozer and Battier are the next MJ.
How many of these teams have above 500 records? The point is that these duke "stars" don't have the impact on the league that you would think. The way to get rid of the hate is to not hype up your team so much that they end up getting waxed by a team that they're supposed to beat.
By the way-i didn't actually make the wallpaper-i found it somewhere and thought it was funny. But until one of these hyped players makes a huge impact in the league for consecutive years--i will continue to see that Duke is just a media darling team that doesn't produce superstars in the NBA.
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"Yes, but with the exception of the Clippers-with this being their first good season in how many years? None of these players are competing on a higher level."
Actually, they are. This is professional basketball. What "higher level" do you want these cats to compete on?
"These are not household names-no one outside of NBA fanatics gives a rats ass about these players"
How many people outside of NBA fanatics can name more than twenty all-stars right now? None. Just because they don't have the big personalities of a Kobe, an AI, a Lebron, doesn't mean they're not legitimate. Gilbert Arenas is not a well-known all-star. Pau Gasol is not a well-known all-star. If Jermaine O'Neal hadn't have punched that dude, no one would know who he is. So your point is moot.
"-you got lucky with the Clippers being decent this year-but in past years- yes the Clippers have been the laughingstock of the league."
Your point you had made is The lesson is that as hyped up as all of these players were when they came out of College-they are NOT superstars-or anywhere near to the level that they played in college. Am I right? You cannot deny the fact that Duke has a long tradition of players being huge stars in college and amounting to nothing but support/bench men in the NBA unless they start for shitty teams." And the point is nullified because Elton Brand and Corey Maggette, two DUKE PLAYERS, took a bad team and made it good. They are playing OVER the level they played in college.
"Take your duke goggles off for a second. the only all star of the bunch was Brand I believe-and how many on the list of duke players were All-Americans at some point when playing at Duke. That means they are supposed to be the best of the best coming into the NBA draft. That's what it means to me anyway."
All-American does NOT translate to "best of the best coming into the NBA draft". NBA scouts will tell you this. This is why players who are NOT all-Americans like Aldridge and Noah are being considered for the #1 pick. That's why National Player of the Year Jameer Nelson was drafted at something like #20. They draft based on athleticism and talent. The fact that Duke gets so many all-Americans and has had such astounding success speaks to how good of a coach Krzyzewski is. On a team like Kansas, Chris Carrawell would have been a 4th option at best. But Coach K turned him into a good college baller and he led the team to consecutive Sweet 16s, ACC championships, etc., in a era when ACC basketball was TOUGH (the Tim Duncan-Vince Carter-Steve Francis era).
"Golden State continues to make bad decisions-and hell Steve Francis got paid out the ass and I think we can all agree that that was a bad decision."
Of course it is. But the point is that Duke players are desired in the NBA, start on teams, and make a good living.
"AlsoI wouldn't mention Redick in the same sentance with. D-Wade. D-Wade is on a whole different plane than Redick will ever be-talk about a guy with moves-clutch-handles-midrange shot-defense total package-thats a 2 guard. Redick not so much."
Yes, but the point is that there ARE 2 guards that can shoot the 3 that don't have handles. Think of Steve Kerr. When on a team with a star, Kerr was NASTY behind the arc. If JJ played with AI, or Lebron, or Melo, or some really great team leader, JJ could be a deadly scoring option.
"The point you failed to see was that Duke has some of the most hyped players in the history of the college game-and they never live up to the expectations when they graduate to the big games. Don't catch feelings-it's simply the truth-they act like Boozer and Battier are the next MJ."
Has anyone ever said Shane Battier was the next MJ? LOL dude, you're catching feelings at Duke's success. The reason why Shane Battier was such a good story was because he was such an unlikely star. No one expected him to even make it in the big leagues at ALL, much less be a defensive leader on a team and average double digit points.
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"How many of these teams have above 500 records?"
2, and if you consider records of team that are 450 (just one or two games behind), then 5. Not shabby at all.
"The point is that these duke "stars" don't have the impact on the league that you would think."
They don't have a big impact on the league. I can name maybe 12. players with impact. AI, Kobe, Lebron, Melo, D-Wade, Shaq, Yao, Dirk, Brand, Nash, Duncan, Billups. The layman who doesn't follow the NBA can name maybe 7 of those, tops. Half of those players didn't go to college or weren't big names in college (only AI, Melo, Wade, Shaq, Brand and Duncan were famous in college). So you're a fool to think every all-American Duke has should be a star, because only one or two legitimate stars emerges from the draft each year.
"The way to get rid of the hate is to not hype up your team so much that they end up getting waxed by a team that they're supposed to beat."
Many people had LSU beating Duke, because they were strong in Duke's weaknesses: athleticism and post presence. I thought Duke's seniority would beat LSU's very young team, but I was wrong. *shrugs* If you follow the hype, you should hate about 20 teams right now.
"By the way-i didn't actually make the wallpaper-i found it somewhere and thought it was funny. But until one of these hyped players makes a huge impact in the league for consecutive years--i will continue to see that Duke is just a media darling team that doesn't produce superstars in the NBA."
You do know that college basketball is NOT meant to just tailor players for a life of professional basketball, right? You DO know this, yes? And you can't say Duke is a media darling team, because we have the incredible astounding success rate in the past 25 years to back up any attention the media gives us. The same way that UConn, UNC, and Kentucky get a lot of media: because they are consistently great teams (well, Kentucky up to this year anyhow).
Duke is the most successful program in college basketball, so of COURSE they're going to have more all-Americans than any other school. What you need to realize is college basketball and pro basketball are two different monsters, and tailoring your players to play in the NBA doesn't mean success on a college level (see: AI, Tim Duncan, Shaq). The best coaches (Roy Williams, Calhoun, Izzo, Coach K) focus on COLLEGE basketball, not the pros.
With your impossible standards, even Calhoun and Williams must be viewed as "overhyped" for getting a lot of talented college players praise and then they don't live up to that same level in the big league. Who IS a success to you, Amir? If you think Duke is a media darling, I challenge you to name a team with more success in the past 20 years.
The point is, if you're gonna hate on Duke, at least use something better than the old "they don't succeed in the NBA" because they do, at about the same consistency rate at other great colleges or better. Most people I know hate Dukies for THREE reasons:
1. They're white.
2. They come from a life of privilege.
3. They are so fucking successful.
Choose a battle that is actually understandable. Don't babble on with some bullshit that doesn't apply anymore by using an argument from 1989.
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