I hate, hate, hate-hate HATE! review whoring. I have stopped reading stories based on petulant comments by the author that went along the lines of "Review or I'll stop writing" (and sometimes in so many words
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Re: The importance of solid reviewscmwintersDecember 30 2007, 03:09:43 UTC
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I don't even know who you are. If you're writing on an archive I don't even know if I've read anything of yours. I am not in the least bit sure how you got that this entire thing was directed at you. You are not the only person, even in this thread, who said that the writers have every right to behave in a way I find reprehensible.
I did not make any "unqualified statements". We aren't allowed to point to exact examples or quote people, so I had to paraphrase. I said I hate review *WHORING*. I don't hate when people *ask* for reviews or express appreciation at getting them. There's a difference. Honestly, if you haven't seen the difference, you haven't seen the whoring I've seen, which is probably to your benefit. But really, if you'd just read what I wrote, and not decide you know I mean something different than what I stated explicitly, you'd have a better understanding.
My point in using your "addicted to writing" quote was that you seemed to be sticking up for the people who are demanding/soliciting/whoring for reviews/refusing to write if they don't get them/refusing to write if they don't get ones to tell them what they want to hear, on the basis that *they* are "addicted to writing". If they were addicted to writing, they'd write, not beg, plead, grovel, solicit and quite frankly act like prostitutes for reviews. "I'll write the next chapter if you tell me how awesome I am".
In the review I posted to the fluffy story, it never occurred to me that the author just wanted some calm writing, but it's entirely possible. And I don't think "Thank you for a nice, relaxing and enjoyable bit of reading" is "critical", which is about what I said.
You know, I wrote a smut story for an exchange once and it was well received and I'm very grateful. But I would've been just as happy with "z0mg the WINE!" in a comment as the concrit reviews I got (because the wine thing was fairly subtle, but I loved it.)
But I posted the story, and in my author's notes I thanked my beta team and the people I bounced ideas off of.
What I didn't do was say "So, what do you think about Snape staring at Narcissa's arse? How about Narcissa's outfit? Didn't you think the party was so brilliant? How about those Murex dyed curtains; wasn't that cool? Murex is supposed to be so dark purple it's almost black and I thought that was a perfect fit for the Black-Malfoy family dynamic. Isn't it great that they were fucking so hard they destroyed the floor?! And what about that portrait, isn't that gross? And wasn't the wine a fantastic touch? I'm really proud of myself for that! Isn't Legilimency sex z0mg teh hawt??? And BELLATRIX!!! Wasn't she divinely evil and crazy and pissed off? And hnmmm, if you review me enough, I'll post the subsequent interlude between the three of them! Review!!!" (Now granted, I haven't read this story (of my own) in a while, so I'm sure if I had just read it or just written it I could come up with another thousand words of this dreck. Hopefully you get the idea.)
Do you truly not see the difference between that and "Thank you to all my reviewers who have provided me with feedback and helped me to improve my writing. I try to respond to every one!"
Because if you don't see that one is blatantly obnoxious and offensive, and the other graceful and humble, there's really not a lot of middle ground here.
*I* am talking about the former. *YOU* are talking about the latter. They are not the same thing. At all.
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I don't even know who you are. If you're writing on an archive I don't even know if I've read anything of yours. I am not in the least bit sure how you got that this entire thing was directed at you. You are not the only person, even in this thread, who said that the writers have every right to behave in a way I find reprehensible.
I did not make any "unqualified statements". We aren't allowed to point to exact examples or quote people, so I had to paraphrase. I said I hate review *WHORING*. I don't hate when people *ask* for reviews or express appreciation at getting them. There's a difference. Honestly, if you haven't seen the difference, you haven't seen the whoring I've seen, which is probably to your benefit. But really, if you'd just read what I wrote, and not decide you know I mean something different than what I stated explicitly, you'd have a better understanding.
My point in using your "addicted to writing" quote was that you seemed to be sticking up for the people who are demanding/soliciting/whoring for reviews/refusing to write if they don't get them/refusing to write if they don't get ones to tell them what they want to hear, on the basis that *they* are "addicted to writing". If they were addicted to writing, they'd write, not beg, plead, grovel, solicit and quite frankly act like prostitutes for reviews. "I'll write the next chapter if you tell me how awesome I am".
In the review I posted to the fluffy story, it never occurred to me that the author just wanted some calm writing, but it's entirely possible. And I don't think "Thank you for a nice, relaxing and enjoyable bit of reading" is "critical", which is about what I said.
You know, I wrote a smut story for an exchange once and it was well received and I'm very grateful. But I would've been just as happy with "z0mg the WINE!" in a comment as the concrit reviews I got (because the wine thing was fairly subtle, but I loved it.)
But I posted the story, and in my author's notes I thanked my beta team and the people I bounced ideas off of.
What I didn't do was say "So, what do you think about Snape staring at Narcissa's arse? How about Narcissa's outfit? Didn't you think the party was so brilliant? How about those Murex dyed curtains; wasn't that cool? Murex is supposed to be so dark purple it's almost black and I thought that was a perfect fit for the Black-Malfoy family dynamic. Isn't it great that they were fucking so hard they destroyed the floor?! And what about that portrait, isn't that gross? And wasn't the wine a fantastic touch? I'm really proud of myself for that! Isn't Legilimency sex z0mg teh hawt??? And BELLATRIX!!! Wasn't she divinely evil and crazy and pissed off? And hnmmm, if you review me enough, I'll post the subsequent interlude between the three of them! Review!!!" (Now granted, I haven't read this story (of my own) in a while, so I'm sure if I had just read it or just written it I could come up with another thousand words of this dreck. Hopefully you get the idea.)
Do you truly not see the difference between that and "Thank you to all my reviewers who have provided me with feedback and helped me to improve my writing. I try to respond to every one!"
Because if you don't see that one is blatantly obnoxious and offensive, and the other graceful and humble, there's really not a lot of middle ground here.
*I* am talking about the former. *YOU* are talking about the latter. They are not the same thing. At all.
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