Snape is an asshole get over it.

[finmagik]

I'm sick of romantic!Snape, and rich!Snape. I'm sick of secretlybeautiful!Snape. And I'm also sick of Really-on-Dumbledores-side-he-asked-me-to-kill-him-honest!Snape. Especially when the above is served with a helping of wangst and Snape is crying silent silver tears and cutting himself. I like Snape because he a jerk, because he is self-serving,

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[beyond_pale]

The ring killed Dumbledore; it's only thanks to Snape that he hung on all year. And the potion would eventually have been fatal. And then Harry would be emotionally crippled blaming himself. And, unlike how his parents, Sirius, Cedric, and Dumbledore died, he would be DIRECTLY to blame for this one. That is not something he needs to deal with at the moment.

I think that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him the moment he heard of the plot against his life. I think that's what the fight Hagrid overhead was about. I think that if Dumbledore had to order one of his employees to do this, Snape is THE ONLY ONE LOYAL ENOUGH to actually obey such a command. I think this FACT was slammed in our faces by Duimbledore's insane, inane over-the-top emphasis on OBEYING his orders in the cave, in Hogsmede, and at the school; you don't question, you follow your orders.

FURTHER, even IF it wasn't arranged in advance (go to Snape, bring me Snape, go directly to Snape, don't talk to anyone but Snape, he will be in his office, etc. all seems to point this way, no?) do you believe that a brilliant Legimens would not be able to communicate nonverbally to someone with enough control over his mind to be a decent Legimens? Dumbledore would never allow any student in his charge, even a vile little prick like Malfoy, to injure themselves (their souls) by an act of murder; in this sense, both professors were saving more than one Hogwarts student.

Do you have so little respect for Dumbledore to actually believe that he would be for his life?

And let's pretend Snape hadn't killed Dumbledore, with or without permission. Let's see....probably Fenrir kills Dumbledore and Snape is dead from the vow. In the first scenario, Snape is not available to evacuate the castle as quickly as possible, to minimize the damage done, and to get the tower clear by the time Harry is remobilized. Snape's not there to tell them to save Harry for Voldemort and not harm him. Or Draco bucks up and does the deed, which I'm not sure is realistic. Complications ensue. In both cases, the casualty rate would be much higher than one dead headmaster.

As far as Snape in the final book, I truly believe that he is the only person who can fully assume the debriefing role of Dumbledore. This probably WON'T occur at the end of the story, because I don't think both Severus and Harry will survive the series. But I KNOW why Harry will HAVE to trust Snape, and I can tell you in a single word: Fawkes.

[xilaria]

Amen to that.

[cmwinters]

And having said and agreed to everything you say, I think the OP is right - Harry won't believe him in any case.

But yes, I think Severus Snape is *FAR MORE* Dumbledore's Man than Harry Potter could ever hope to be, because, AFAIC, Snape does what he does with his eyes wide open - Harry rushes into it blindly.

In my defence (and in beyond_pale's defence) - Jo apparently sees it this way, too.

[xilaria]

But yes, I think Severus Snape is *FAR MORE* Dumbledore's Man than Harry Potter could ever hope to be, because, AFAIC, Snape does what he does with his eyes wide open - Harry rushes into it blindly.

I couldn't agree with you more on this.

[finmagik]

Thanks.

[finmagik]

Yes, yes, yes everyone has made a good case for this. But still would Harry think Snape is telling thew truth in the end. And can see Snape Wangsting over in the way I described.

[xilaria]

I honestly don't think that Harry will believe Snape...that is definitely true. As much as I love Harry, he has already proven to be hard-headed and I know that if there is ANY evidence given to him of Snape's so-called "innocence" Harry will do anything in his power to prove the evidence faulty. And even if he does turn out to believe it, he would never acknowledge the fact. His hatred for Snape is too deep...
Besides, Harry is quick to change his opinion on others once they disagree with him...and he will not listen to logic despite any sort of substancial evidence backing it up. He just goes with his intuition and you must admit that most of the times he is WRONG.
This is one of Harry's biggest faults and it has gotten him into trouble countless of times.

As for Snape, he is my favorite character and I know that he is neither romantic and handsome. He is, as you said, an ugly greasy git with a foul attitude. But, I think there is so much more to him than that. I'm not saying that he's the angsty, poor, pathetic little soul that needs a hug...he's just down right MEAN. But you don't have to be nice to be fighting for the light...a great example of this is Sirius Black.

[finmagik]

Yeah, he might need a hug but I pity anyone who tries giving him said hug.

[finmagik]

Yes, yes. I've tried over and over to beleivie in the above theory. Snape's my favorite character, and was I shocked when it happened truly shocked.
I can never read the chapter where it happened. But even if Dumbledore knew, and permitted Snape to kill him. I don't think when Harry caught Snape. Harry would beleivie him. Nope, no matter what Snape said. Or evidence to back it up. Harry hates Snape and I think will kill him. Maybe afterward he'd discover Snape was double-triple-agent and good guy all along.