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The problem with so many of these debates is that no one is in charge - lets see if NBC-Man will be able to herd these cats. First question to Perry, who says he has the model for job creation that he'd like to bring to the US. One million jobs in Texas, but haha, williams does mention that the jobs in Texas were extremely low pay, and that unemployment is better in lots of other states. Perry responds that 95 percent of the jobs he created were over minimum wage and that it's hypocritical to criticize jobs.
Mitt gets the same Q in regards to his record on job creation, responds to criticism that his state was 47th in job creation. Wow, Williams is going to get slammed, he's bringing up the fact that Romney's private industry experience included cutting jobs. Mitt is trying to position himself as already running against Obama.
Williams jumps to Perry, and asks him to take a jab. He accepts. Mitt responds, Texas has more natural resources and a republican gov., so his state had more problems at the start - damn - Perry responds that Dukkakis created jobs faster that Mitt, and Mitt shoots back that Bush created jobs faster than Perry - laughs all around. Mitt looks better there - he doesn't start fights, but he finishes them.
Santorum - no corporate tax, repatriate resources.
Cain would "eliminate the current tax code." "If 10 percent is good enough for God, 9 percent is good enough for us," gets good applause.
Huntsman says Mitt doesn't understand the core of the US economy or something. Huntsman ties himself to Reagan. Utah was the #1 job creator. He speaks directly to the candidates, says he was better, and that in order to beat Obama you have to know something about this world.
Bachinator: new regulations like Obamacare scares the people at restaurants, that they'll have to let people go. She raised 5 biological kids and a clown car of non-biologicals, so she knows Mom things.
Ron, do you want to cut everything out of everything, including air traffic control or car safety? Yes. The free market should be able to do anything. The market can be regulated at the state level. Who writes the laws and regulations? Industry does, so essentially the market is already doing it, but in a flawed way.
Gingrich will write another forward if Perry writes another book. He plugs Newt.org and the Reagan job growth plan. Uses big words like bipartisan. He's mad that Obama hasn't come to the Reagan library to learn about job growth and says he sucks.
Politio-man wants to talk about healthcare instead of jobs - they have a glitch and asks if there's anything to learn from Romneycare example in Mass. - Perry says the individual mandate doesn't work. Romney wants states to be able to do it themselves instead of Fedrly.
Perry says that Texans don't want health care. His wife is a nurse and is fine with poor people not having health if it means not bowing to a federal power. The federal government is the reason why they have so many uninsured people in Texas.
Bach wants to jump in, but they keep them in line and go to Huntsman. Hunts has raised 7 kids and knows about personal responsibility. says Utah is a good example of heatlthcare reform.
Bach is rewarded for her patience. Obamacare is evil, will take a bold, strong leader to repeal Obamacare, she was the first one to try and do it, and if we fail to repeal it then we will have SOOOOOCIALIZED MEEEEEDICINE booooooo.
Gingrich, wtf, "stop making us fight eachother in a debate! Don't make us choose between republican models, let us just fight Obamacare, lets repeal it, we all agree on that, and we should all repudiate the main stream effort to make us fight eachother, we're all a team to fight Obama!" Biggest applause so far.
Cain has a plan. Tort reform. Association health plans.
Santorum, as a Catholic, do you care that 1 in 7 in US are poor? Welfare creates a culture of dependancy - essentially, the poor are just poor because they're dependant. Unemployment was low in 2001... for everyone - duh.
Perry doesn't want to answer the poverty question, he wants to get rid of health care so people can save their own money or something.
Uhg, now twitter questions...
Can a president realistically bring gas prices down to 2 bucks, like O'Bachman says she can? Romney says we should drill, baby, drill. Nuke, Coal, Shale Oil, fuck green jobs.
Bach's excited about energy jobs, blames energy regulations for preventing job creation. Gas was 1.79 a gallon when Obama became president. Really?
Huntsman; Bach is crazy. Get out from behind the teleprompter and just talk to us from your heart and soul. We need leadership.
Paul - don't ignore me, I'm a physician, ask me healthcare questions. No minimum wage, no mandates, no medicare, no government running our lives. I can do better a gallon of gas for a dime - we have too much inflation because of regulations.
Perry - you didn't support Reagan. Paul - I did in the 70's, but in the 80's he raised taxes and grew government. Bachman laughs too loud.
Perry's got a book, Politico-man has read it. Is Social Security bad? Sure, but don't worry if you're on it now. But for everyone else, you're involved in a lie and ponzi scheme. Politico-man says that even Karl Rove and Cheney said it's not a ponzi scheme (since we all pay into it as it's an insurance program) but he says you're wrong.
Mitt allows that the problem is that SS doesn't have a funding problem, it has a problem with congress taking money from it. SS should stay, should be saved, it's working, and I'll keep it working. Perry - uh, you're wrong. Let's get America working again!
Cain - do you want to hear rhetoric or solutions? I believe in the Chilean model, where they have an account with their name on it and give them a choice. (Chilean model?)
Paul is old, inarticulately says Perry is bad. Executive orders. Texas was furious. Paul doesn't like executive orders and wouldn't use them to write laws.
Bachman wants parent rights, also doesn't like Perry mandating HPV vaccination. (I predict Perry attacks NBC tonight)
Perry - I feel like a pinata! HPV causes cervical cancer, we allowed for an opt out, get off my back. I should have talked to the legislature, but I will always err on the side of saving lives.
Santorum voted to create the Dept of homeland security. Parental rights over states rights, how about an opt in, not an opt out. I'm offended that the government could tell me by executive order to give my child an HPV vaccination.
Mitt. Conciliatory. "We love America, this president is a nice guy but he doesn't have a clue about how to get the country working again."
Gingrich - we have enemies that want to use weapons against us. They want to kill us. WMDs. They're going to use them. They will kill us.
Paul - we should get rid of the TSA, why do we assume that airlines can't protect us? private markets can protect us more than the government. Lets go back to before 1979, dump FEMA, they're in debt. We're spending 20B a year on air conditioning in Afghanistan.
Cain - lets fix Homeland Security and FEMA, but I agree with Paul on the TSA. The Federal Gov shouldn't micromanage.
Huntsman - this is a smaller issue, I don't want to talk about national security, I want you to look at where we stand in terms of getting back on our feet (translation: I have no idea - job creation!)
Perry - "your state is at the bottom of highschool education and you cut education spending, why do you suck so much?" Well, um, cutting funding is good, we're making progress, we have a lot of Mexicans and a unique situation. But we have no corporate taxes so we have some big name tech companies.
Gingrich - charter schools. School choice. Pell Grant for K-12.
Perry - we need boots on the ground, we need predator drones, we need to secure the border and then we can talk about immigration reform. Obama sucks for saying the border is safe.
Mitt says we should have a giant fence. Employers are willing to pay illegal aliens; if we want to stop people to come in illegally, we shouldn't give them a reason to get here.
Gingrich - English should be the official language of government.
Santorum - I'm the son of an Italian immigrant. I don't want to have the discussion about what to do with immigrants until we secure the border.
Bachman - to not build a fence is to yield American sovereignty. wtf. Immigration law worked up until the 1960s.
Cain - Secure the border, promote the existing path to residency, enforce laws better, empower the states, problem solved. No applause.
Huntsman - they are people to, we need a solution like Reagan would have done.
Paul - lets remove the easy road to citizenship. Ending the drug war would keep us safer, and fixing our economy means we wouldn't care if people immigrated, I'm a true fucking libertarian, I don't give a FUCK.
Bachman - Spending cuts, no tax increases, DC sucks, Obama sucks, socialism is bad, Reagan is great.
Huntsman - Pledges are dumb, look at my record. Our core is broken, we need to bring our troops home.
Mitt - we have a crisis of confidence because we have no leadership. Obama is flailing about. We need someone who loves America! I have an outline... I have a plan. We gotta restructure. Job machine. Middle class. Lotsa jobs. Hire me.
Perry - America shouldn't be in the business of adventurism. But I do tip my hat to Obama for taking out Osama. Keynesian theory is done. We shouldn't be anywhere when we can't show a clear American interest.
Bachman - Obama has weakened us militarily, the Pentagon can't face budget cuts. I've seen state secrets. We're in danger. Global Caliphate, nuclear Iran.
Santorum - Isolationism is bad. We should be a force for good around the world. We aren't the cause of problems. Obama was indecisive. Lets stand in the Reagan tradition.
Hunstman - in order for the GOP to win, we can't run from science. I can get elected.
Perry - science isn't settled on climate change. Galileo got outvoted for a spell. We can't cut back on industry, we have to wait until science tells us what's really going on. We cleaned up our air, NO levels and ozone levels are down.
Bachman - we have American energy resources that we should extract responsibly. Coal gives us 45% of our energy, we love coal. Fuck green jobs.
Gingrich - I would fire Ben Berneke, I would audit the Fed, his policies have been bad. Lets give half our national parks to the oil companies.
Mitt - we should tax poor people too. The middle class is hurt by the Obama Economy. I have a plan to grow our economy by 4% for 4 years. I'm awesome because I have been in private sector.
Williams to Perry - your state has executed 234 more death row inamtes than any other governor in modern time (big applause) do you ever struggle to sleep at night thinking that some of those may have been innocent?
Perry - no, we're never wrong. If you kill, we will kill you. Ultimate justice.
Williams - what do you think about how the mention of so many executions draws applause.
Perry - ultimate justice.
Cain - I have a plan. The 999 plan. It levels the playing field for all businesses.
Paul - we can't run a wellfare state, I want to repeal all mandates. States can do what they want. Just because we believe in liberty doesn't mean we lack compassion. (big applause)
The end. Well done debate management. Tough questions. Williams will get lots of flack for trying to pit people against each other, like asking Huntsman "who on the stage do you think is inane or insane," but everyone stayed cool, except Gingrich I think, who pulled the Palin reversal.
Huntsman vs Romney should have their own primary to see who should run against Bachman or Cain. Paul should just give up on the GOP and run for the Libertarian party.
Ok, I'm tired now. So, who won? Jesus, I don't know. It all sucks.
Mitt gets the same Q in regards to his record on job creation, responds to criticism that his state was 47th in job creation. Wow, Williams is going to get slammed, he's bringing up the fact that Romney's private industry experience included cutting jobs. Mitt is trying to position himself as already running against Obama.
Williams jumps to Perry, and asks him to take a jab. He accepts. Mitt responds, Texas has more natural resources and a republican gov., so his state had more problems at the start - damn - Perry responds that Dukkakis created jobs faster that Mitt, and Mitt shoots back that Bush created jobs faster than Perry - laughs all around. Mitt looks better there - he doesn't start fights, but he finishes them.
Santorum - no corporate tax, repatriate resources.
Cain would "eliminate the current tax code." "If 10 percent is good enough for God, 9 percent is good enough for us," gets good applause.
Huntsman says Mitt doesn't understand the core of the US economy or something. Huntsman ties himself to Reagan. Utah was the #1 job creator. He speaks directly to the candidates, says he was better, and that in order to beat Obama you have to know something about this world.
Bachinator: new regulations like Obamacare scares the people at restaurants, that they'll have to let people go. She raised 5 biological kids and a clown car of non-biologicals, so she knows Mom things.
Ron, do you want to cut everything out of everything, including air traffic control or car safety? Yes. The free market should be able to do anything. The market can be regulated at the state level. Who writes the laws and regulations? Industry does, so essentially the market is already doing it, but in a flawed way.
Gingrich will write another forward if Perry writes another book. He plugs Newt.org and the Reagan job growth plan. Uses big words like bipartisan. He's mad that Obama hasn't come to the Reagan library to learn about job growth and says he sucks.
Politio-man wants to talk about healthcare instead of jobs - they have a glitch and asks if there's anything to learn from Romneycare example in Mass. - Perry says the individual mandate doesn't work. Romney wants states to be able to do it themselves instead of Fedrly.
Perry says that Texans don't want health care. His wife is a nurse and is fine with poor people not having health if it means not bowing to a federal power. The federal government is the reason why they have so many uninsured people in Texas.
Bach wants to jump in, but they keep them in line and go to Huntsman. Hunts has raised 7 kids and knows about personal responsibility. says Utah is a good example of heatlthcare reform.
Bach is rewarded for her patience. Obamacare is evil, will take a bold, strong leader to repeal Obamacare, she was the first one to try and do it, and if we fail to repeal it then we will have SOOOOOCIALIZED MEEEEEDICINE booooooo.
Gingrich, wtf, "stop making us fight eachother in a debate! Don't make us choose between republican models, let us just fight Obamacare, lets repeal it, we all agree on that, and we should all repudiate the main stream effort to make us fight eachother, we're all a team to fight Obama!" Biggest applause so far.
Cain has a plan. Tort reform. Association health plans.
Santorum, as a Catholic, do you care that 1 in 7 in US are poor? Welfare creates a culture of dependancy - essentially, the poor are just poor because they're dependant. Unemployment was low in 2001... for everyone - duh.
Perry doesn't want to answer the poverty question, he wants to get rid of health care so people can save their own money or something.
Uhg, now twitter questions...
Can a president realistically bring gas prices down to 2 bucks, like O'Bachman says she can? Romney says we should drill, baby, drill. Nuke, Coal, Shale Oil, fuck green jobs.
Bach's excited about energy jobs, blames energy regulations for preventing job creation. Gas was 1.79 a gallon when Obama became president. Really?
Huntsman; Bach is crazy. Get out from behind the teleprompter and just talk to us from your heart and soul. We need leadership.
Paul - don't ignore me, I'm a physician, ask me healthcare questions. No minimum wage, no mandates, no medicare, no government running our lives. I can do better a gallon of gas for a dime - we have too much inflation because of regulations.
Perry - you didn't support Reagan. Paul - I did in the 70's, but in the 80's he raised taxes and grew government. Bachman laughs too loud.
Perry's got a book, Politico-man has read it. Is Social Security bad? Sure, but don't worry if you're on it now. But for everyone else, you're involved in a lie and ponzi scheme. Politico-man says that even Karl Rove and Cheney said it's not a ponzi scheme (since we all pay into it as it's an insurance program) but he says you're wrong.
Mitt allows that the problem is that SS doesn't have a funding problem, it has a problem with congress taking money from it. SS should stay, should be saved, it's working, and I'll keep it working. Perry - uh, you're wrong. Let's get America working again!
Cain - do you want to hear rhetoric or solutions? I believe in the Chilean model, where they have an account with their name on it and give them a choice. (Chilean model?)
Paul is old, inarticulately says Perry is bad. Executive orders. Texas was furious. Paul doesn't like executive orders and wouldn't use them to write laws.
Bachman wants parent rights, also doesn't like Perry mandating HPV vaccination. (I predict Perry attacks NBC tonight)
Perry - I feel like a pinata! HPV causes cervical cancer, we allowed for an opt out, get off my back. I should have talked to the legislature, but I will always err on the side of saving lives.
Santorum voted to create the Dept of homeland security. Parental rights over states rights, how about an opt in, not an opt out. I'm offended that the government could tell me by executive order to give my child an HPV vaccination.
Mitt. Conciliatory. "We love America, this president is a nice guy but he doesn't have a clue about how to get the country working again."
Gingrich - we have enemies that want to use weapons against us. They want to kill us. WMDs. They're going to use them. They will kill us.
Paul - we should get rid of the TSA, why do we assume that airlines can't protect us? private markets can protect us more than the government. Lets go back to before 1979, dump FEMA, they're in debt. We're spending 20B a year on air conditioning in Afghanistan.
Cain - lets fix Homeland Security and FEMA, but I agree with Paul on the TSA. The Federal Gov shouldn't micromanage.
Huntsman - this is a smaller issue, I don't want to talk about national security, I want you to look at where we stand in terms of getting back on our feet (translation: I have no idea - job creation!)
Perry - "your state is at the bottom of highschool education and you cut education spending, why do you suck so much?" Well, um, cutting funding is good, we're making progress, we have a lot of Mexicans and a unique situation. But we have no corporate taxes so we have some big name tech companies.
Gingrich - charter schools. School choice. Pell Grant for K-12.
Perry - we need boots on the ground, we need predator drones, we need to secure the border and then we can talk about immigration reform. Obama sucks for saying the border is safe.
Mitt says we should have a giant fence. Employers are willing to pay illegal aliens; if we want to stop people to come in illegally, we shouldn't give them a reason to get here.
Gingrich - English should be the official language of government.
Santorum - I'm the son of an Italian immigrant. I don't want to have the discussion about what to do with immigrants until we secure the border.
Bachman - to not build a fence is to yield American sovereignty. wtf. Immigration law worked up until the 1960s.
Cain - Secure the border, promote the existing path to residency, enforce laws better, empower the states, problem solved. No applause.
Huntsman - they are people to, we need a solution like Reagan would have done.
Paul - lets remove the easy road to citizenship. Ending the drug war would keep us safer, and fixing our economy means we wouldn't care if people immigrated, I'm a true fucking libertarian, I don't give a FUCK.
Bachman - Spending cuts, no tax increases, DC sucks, Obama sucks, socialism is bad, Reagan is great.
Huntsman - Pledges are dumb, look at my record. Our core is broken, we need to bring our troops home.
Mitt - we have a crisis of confidence because we have no leadership. Obama is flailing about. We need someone who loves America! I have an outline... I have a plan. We gotta restructure. Job machine. Middle class. Lotsa jobs. Hire me.
Perry - America shouldn't be in the business of adventurism. But I do tip my hat to Obama for taking out Osama. Keynesian theory is done. We shouldn't be anywhere when we can't show a clear American interest.
Bachman - Obama has weakened us militarily, the Pentagon can't face budget cuts. I've seen state secrets. We're in danger. Global Caliphate, nuclear Iran.
Santorum - Isolationism is bad. We should be a force for good around the world. We aren't the cause of problems. Obama was indecisive. Lets stand in the Reagan tradition.
Hunstman - in order for the GOP to win, we can't run from science. I can get elected.
Perry - science isn't settled on climate change. Galileo got outvoted for a spell. We can't cut back on industry, we have to wait until science tells us what's really going on. We cleaned up our air, NO levels and ozone levels are down.
Bachman - we have American energy resources that we should extract responsibly. Coal gives us 45% of our energy, we love coal. Fuck green jobs.
Gingrich - I would fire Ben Berneke, I would audit the Fed, his policies have been bad. Lets give half our national parks to the oil companies.
Mitt - we should tax poor people too. The middle class is hurt by the Obama Economy. I have a plan to grow our economy by 4% for 4 years. I'm awesome because I have been in private sector.
Williams to Perry - your state has executed 234 more death row inamtes than any other governor in modern time (big applause) do you ever struggle to sleep at night thinking that some of those may have been innocent?
Perry - no, we're never wrong. If you kill, we will kill you. Ultimate justice.
Williams - what do you think about how the mention of so many executions draws applause.
Perry - ultimate justice.
Cain - I have a plan. The 999 plan. It levels the playing field for all businesses.
Paul - we can't run a wellfare state, I want to repeal all mandates. States can do what they want. Just because we believe in liberty doesn't mean we lack compassion. (big applause)
The end. Well done debate management. Tough questions. Williams will get lots of flack for trying to pit people against each other, like asking Huntsman "who on the stage do you think is inane or insane," but everyone stayed cool, except Gingrich I think, who pulled the Palin reversal.
Huntsman vs Romney should have their own primary to see who should run against Bachman or Cain. Paul should just give up on the GOP and run for the Libertarian party.
Ok, I'm tired now. So, who won? Jesus, I don't know. It all sucks.